Our hero's that race NASCAR are big time cheaters as they have all been
caught, but we
idiolize them. But the sim racers that allegedly cheat we detest as the
lowest form of pond
scum and worst! Think its a double standard not warped thinking. Not
really you see that
in one case we are a spectator and othe other we are a competitor. Buts its
interest
information to ponder!
PS. If nascar is cheating, than is cheating online just making the game
more realistic!
> Something to ponder!
> Our hero's that race NASCAR are big time cheaters as they have all been
> caught, but we
> idiolize them. But the sim racers that allegedly cheat we detest as the
> lowest form of pond
> scum and worst! Think its a double standard not warped thinking. Not
> really you see that
> in one case we are a spectator and othe other we are a competitor. Buts its
> interest
> information to ponder!
> PS. If nascar is cheating, than is cheating online just making the game
> more realistic!
Personally I think cheaters should burn in whatever hell their religious
beliefs has in store for them, I actually equate cheaters to lawyers and
bankers, luckily I have no religious beliefs so I wont go to hell if I
cheat, which I don't, as aside from the ethics side of it, I've never
wanted to win bad enough to even consider cheating, but that's me
I'm not more honest/righteous than the next guy, but if I'm to abandon
my principles, I'm not doing it over some petty things like winning in
an online computer game, now if I was to get my sweaty hands on a "few"
million dollars with an exceptionally good chance of getting away with
it, I might do it, but not for this
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
> > Something to ponder!
> > Our hero's that race NASCAR are big time cheaters as they have all been
> > caught, but we
> > idiolize them. But the sim racers that allegedly cheat we detest as
the
> > lowest form of pond
> > scum and worst! Think its a double standard not warped thinking. Not
> > really you see that
> > in one case we are a spectator and othe other we are a competitor. Buts
its
> > interest
> > information to ponder!
> > PS. If nascar is cheating, than is cheating online just making the game
> > more realistic!
> Cool, a philosophical discussion about cheating, ethics, moral,
> idolizing and the connection between real life ethics and sim life
> ethics, can't wait to see where this one will end up :-)
> Personally I think cheaters should burn in whatever hell their religious
> beliefs has in store for them, I actually equate cheaters to lawyers and
> bankers, luckily I have no religious beliefs so I wont go to hell if I
> cheat, which I don't, as aside from the ethics side of it, I've never
> wanted to win bad enough to even consider cheating, but that's me
> I'm not more honest/righteous than the next guy, but if I'm to abandon
> my principles, I'm not doing it over some petty things like winning in
> an online computer game, now if I was to get my sweaty hands on a "few"
> million dollars with an exceptionally good chance of getting away with
> it, I might do it, but not for this
> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> http://www.theuspits.com
> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--
The fact is, NASCAR had it's past, while we also have our own past and
future also. Nobody, not even Papyrus, has said that they want a complete
replica of real-life Winston Cup racing, or any NASCAR division. Papyrus
has created their own division, their own different and virtual world
therefore it needs to apply different kind of values compared to other
motorsports.
In this different virtual world, cheating has always been considered as
something wrong (that world being *** in general). Of course, the role
of each driver is to push it's car to it's limit, therefore he can do it
with whatever tool the developer gives him. When he goes beyond that (and
often the line is blurred), it can be considered as cheating. Is it a bad
thing? Well, I think so. If we were racing in real-life, it would be
different.
But we aren't.
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> So Goy, Than you wont support more cheating in sim racing to make the game
> more realistic.. lol
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--
>Our hero's that race NASCAR are big time cheaters as they have all been
>caught, but we
>idiolize them. But the sim racers that allegedly cheat we detest as the
>lowest form of pond
>scum and worst!
Not everyone shares your views...
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> Our hero's that race NASCAR are big time cheaters as they have all been
> caught, but we
> idiolize them. But the sim racers that allegedly cheat we detest as the
> lowest form of pond
> scum and worst! Think its a double standard not warped thinking. Not
> really you see that
> in one case we are a spectator and othe other we are a competitor. Buts its
> interest
> information to ponder!
> PS. If nascar is cheating, than is cheating online just making the game
> more realistic!
> > Our hero's that race NASCAR are big time cheaters as they have all been
> > caught, but we
> > idiolize them. But the sim racers that allegedly cheat we detest as
the
> > lowest form of pond
> > scum and worst! Think its a double standard not warped thinking. Not
> > really you see that
> > in one case we are a spectator and othe other we are a competitor. Buts
its
> > interest
> > information to ponder!
> > PS. If nascar is cheating, than is cheating online just making the game
> > more realistic!
> One is a business, the other is an amateur sport.
> cheating is generally frowned on in sport, and the incentive is less.
The people using software cheats to give themselves advantages are not
pushing the rules. They are outright cheating and are the scum of the
earth.
That's just my opinion.
-Larry
-Larry
> We should move this to general.discussion. Ok, perhaps not ;)
> The fact is, NASCAR had it's past, while we also have our own past and
> future also. Nobody, not even Papyrus, has said that they want a complete
> replica of real-life Winston Cup racing, or any NASCAR division. Papyrus
> has created their own division, their own different and virtual world
> therefore it needs to apply different kind of values compared to other
> motorsports.
> In this different virtual world, cheating has always been considered as
> something wrong (that world being *** in general). Of course, the role
> of each driver is to push it's car to it's limit, therefore he can do it
> with whatever tool the developer gives him. When he goes beyond that (and
> often the line is blurred), it can be considered as cheating. Is it a bad
> thing? Well, I think so. If we were racing in real-life, it would be
> different.
> But we aren't.
> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...
1) Were we ever "Nascar sanctioned?"... I don't think so.
2) To stamp out the cheating problem would put this ***-sport out of the
financial reach of a large percent of the target audience.
Running off the shelf hardware, Microsoft OS, over the internet, in the
privacy of your home opens up so many security holes that it's impossible to
stamp out cheating.
-Larry
> > I can't help but think that if we were still Nascar sanctioned (NROS)
this
> > issue would have been stamped out immediately...
> > -Larry
> 1) Were we ever "Nascar sanctioned?"... I don't think so.
> 2) To stamp out the cheating problem would put this ***-sport out of the
> financial reach of a large percent of the target audience.
> Running off the shelf hardware, Microsoft OS, over the internet, in the
> privacy of your home opens up so many security holes that it's impossible
to
> stamp out cheating.
An official press release from Nascar to that effect?
I know Nascar was paid a licensing fee, but that doesn't make it a Nascar
sanctioned event.
> -Larry
> > > I can't help but think that if we were still Nascar sanctioned (NROS)
> this
> > > issue would have been stamped out immediately...
> > > -Larry
> > 1) Were we ever "Nascar sanctioned?"... I don't think so.
> > 2) To stamp out the cheating problem would put this ***-sport out of
the
> > financial reach of a large percent of the target audience.
> > Running off the shelf hardware, Microsoft OS, over the internet, in the
> > privacy of your home opens up so many security holes that it's
impossible
> to
> > stamp out cheating.
I seem to remember several statements by Nascar that NROS was something
like the 13th official racing division. Below ASA and ARCA and the Winston
West and Super Mods etc. But do I have any proof? nope.
dave henrie
