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> I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a
> man of such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but
> Bill, - and I pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but
> ... don't you think it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy
> your war-debts, or whether it is China and other Asian central banks
> that buy them?
> You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your
> glorious self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is
> unfolding for the US economy as you sit there idly massaging your
> well-fed belly -
> The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your
> debt, Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the
> Hindenburg ... and how long, Bill, do you think, in all your
> glittering pomposity, before the Chinese start selling their US
> Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill, that the dollar bill, Bill,
> starts free-falling like a broker on Wall Street on a Thursday
> afternoon ...
> See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster
> than one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra (and
> don't forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer than a
> week), which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth (at 3-4%),
> becomes about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of bringing democracy
> and freedom to the Middle East ... but of course, I am talking
> rubbish Bill, already you can see demcracy taking root eh! Oh yes
> indeed ...
> But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other rubbish
> talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved Leader on
> one of his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a pretzel
> because he was sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise
> interest rates into the teens?

> And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese
> enemies will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back
> your war debt?
> And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red
> americans with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt
> thinking about argentina ...

> See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these
> matters), like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the
> IMF and World Bank, have already noted their alarm at the US foreign
> debt ... but they, like me, must be talking rubbish, Bill, and only
> you and dubya really know the 'truth' of irrelevant matters such as - how
> do you intend to pay for the baby boomers' retirement, medical
> care, etc. ...
> Yes, Bill, only you, Dubya, and Fox-ites know the 'real' truth, the
> rest of us, sadly, are consigned to the rubbish heap of history ...

> Indeed, Bill, one would - were it not you saying it - think it quite
> astonishing that the fact that the US now owes more than 30% of its
> GDP in foreign debt is just a little fly on the belly of the beast
> that is the US economy.

> Yes, Bill, were it from any authority but you, one would almost think
> it lunacy that one can brush brush aside any concern that - were the
> US to sustain a growth of 3.2% - achievable only, Bill, ONLY, if the
> rest of the world's economies grew at a sustained 4% and that the
> dollar, Bill, remains at levels last seen in August 2004 - your
> financial deficit with the world, Bill, would be the insignificant
> sum of 50% of GDP ...
> Yes Bill, were it not for you, Fox and Dubya saying so, why there'd
> be panic on the (wall) street and people would be selling dollars
> faster than my lamborghini in GTR ...

> Yep, Bill, if anyone other than you had to make the claim that the US
> economy would continue to rise at 3.2% while the weakening dollar was
> smashing the economies of your major trading partners - well, I'd
> think it madness. But Bill, you are the authority, and I bow to your
> expertise in voodoo economics.

> After all Bill, only by reducing the dollar will there be any chance
> of getting this wonderfully irrelevant one trillion dollar debt under
> control - even Bush said so, and he knows his stuff Bill, am I right?
> - Which is why the dollar is deflating as we speak, and why it has
> dropped by an average of 17% against all its major trading partners
> ...
> But see, Bill, there's a little problem with this cunning ploy ...
> while a (projected) 23% some percent drop in the dollar over the next
> four years of your beloved leader's reign as king of the world will
> see the foreign debt reduce(reduce, Bill, not vanish, because of the
> rise in exports), there are other problems to a deflating dollar ...
> namely, Bill, that the economic chaos that this will cause to your
> major trading partners will eventually loop back to the US, you see
> Bill, because they will no longer be able to afford your exports ...
> and as for imports, Bill, well let's say your BMW (you do own a
> foreign car, don't you Bill?) will become rather expensive , which
> means more economic woe for that troublesome non-american swine
> called your trading partners - all of whom, Bill, retain US IOUs -
> and they might, Bill, even be reduced to selling them back to you -
> which means, Bill, another looping increase in interest rates, and a
> further deflation of the dollar, and a further weakening of the
> global economies that MUST, Bill, rise at 4% per annum in order for
> you, Bill, to pay your war-debt ...
> The dollar's

> Why, in that primitive place where I was so unfortunate to have been born,
> rubbish-talking was practically a birth-right! Oh yes, Bill, I have such
> vivid memories of public floggings for non-rubbish-talkers - boy, had it
> not been for freedom-giving compassionate men like yourself, mano-a-mano
> in the good fight for freedom and Good itself, why we'd all still be
> babbling rubbish to this very day, can you imagine? Yes, Bill,  had it not
> been for my sojourn as a wetback in america, I'd be talking so much
> rubbish and no-one would even tell me!

> I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a man of
> such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but Bill, - and I
> pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but ... don't you think
> it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy your war-debts, or whether
> it is China and other Asian central banks that buy them?

> You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your glorious
> self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is unfolding for the US
> economy as you sit there idly massaging your well-fed belly -

> The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your debt,
> Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the Hindenburg ... and
> how long, Bill, do you think, in all your glittering pomposity, before the
> Chinese start selling their US Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill,
> that the dollar bill, Bill, starts free-falling like a broker on Wall
> Street on a Thursday afternoon ...

> See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster than
> one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra (and don't
> forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer than a week),
> which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth (at 3-4%), becomes
> about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of bringing democracy and freedom
> to the Middle East ... but of course, I am talking rubbish Bill, already
> you can see demcracy taking root eh! Oh yes indeed ...

> But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other rubbish
> talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved Leader on one of
> his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a pretzel because he was
> sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise interest rates into the
> teens?

> And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese enemies
> will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back your war debt?

> And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red americans
> with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt thinking about
> argentina ...

> See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these matters),
> like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the IMF and World
> Bank, have already noted their alarm at the US foreign debt ... but they,
> like me, must be talking rubbish, Bill, and only you and dubya really know
> the 'truth' of irrelevant matters such as  - how do you intend to pay for
> the baby boomers' retirement, medical care, etc. ...

> Yes, Bill, only you, Dubya, and Fox-ites know the 'real' truth, the rest
> of us, sadly, are consigned to the rubbish heap of history ...

> Indeed, Bill, one would - were it not you saying it - think it quite
> astonishing that the fact that the US now owes more than 30% of its GDP in
> foreign debt is just a little fly on the belly of the beast that is the US
> economy.

> Yes, Bill, were it from any authority but you, one would almost think it
> lunacy that one can brush brush aside any concern that - were the US to
> sustain a growth of 3.2% - achievable only, Bill, ONLY, if the rest of the
> world's economies grew at a sustained 4% and that the dollar, Bill,
> remains at levels last seen in August 2004 - your financial deficit with
> the world, Bill, would be the insignificant sum of 50% of GDP ...

> Yes Bill, were it not for you, Fox and Dubya saying so, why there'd be
> panic on the (wall) street and people would be selling dollars faster than
> my lamborghini in GTR ...

> Yep, Bill, if anyone other than you had to make the claim that the US
> economy would continue to rise at 3.2% while the weakening dollar was
> smashing the economies of your major trading partners - well, I'd think it
> madness. But Bill, you are the authority, and I bow to your expertise in
> voodoo economics.

> After all Bill, only by reducing the dollar will there be any chance of
> getting this wonderfully irrelevant one trillion dollar debt under
> control - even Bush said so, and he knows his stuff Bill, am I right? -
> Which is why the dollar is deflating as we speak, and why it has dropped
> by an average of 17% against all its major trading partners ...

> But see, Bill, there's a little problem with this cunning ploy ... while a
> (projected) 23% some percent drop in the dollar over the next four years
> of your beloved leader's reign as king of the world will see the foreign
> debt reduce(reduce, Bill, not vanish, because of the rise in exports),
> there are other problems to a deflating dollar ... namely, Bill, that the
> economic chaos that this will cause to your major trading partners will
> eventually loop back to the US, you see Bill, because they will no longer
> be able to afford your exports ... and as for imports, Bill, well let's
> say your BMW (you do own a foreign car, don't you Bill?) will become
> rather expensive , which means more economic woe for that troublesome
> non-american swine called your trading partners - all of whom, Bill,
> retain US IOUs - and they might, Bill, even be reduced to selling them
> back to you - which means, Bill, another looping increase in interest
> rates, and a further deflation of the dollar, and a further weakening of
> the global economies that MUST, Bill, rise at 4% per annum in order for
> you, Bill, to pay your war-debt ...

> The dollar's drop, Bill, caused VW a 68% decline in revenue ...

> See, Bill, the deflation of the US dollar in order to pay for your
> blood-lust (commonly known as your foreign debt), results in a slow-down
> in Japan and European economies, Bill, which reduces the foreign capital
> that comes into the US, Bill, thereby wrecking your sustained growth,
> Bill, of the 3.2% neccessary to pay off the foreign debt Bill, which
> means, Bill, that your happy-clappy understanding of economics is ...
> well, let's call it exotic, shall we?

> See, Bill, with the baby boomers retiring, the constant price of war, the
> deflating dollar, the world's economy slowing down, the central banks
> divesting themselves of the US dollar as reserve cuurency ... well, Bob,
> were it not you saying so, I'd be thinking the US is up shit-creek, mate,
> and your paddle - the Chinese - may just be thinking this is a good time
> to annex Taiwan -

> There is a reason why that other foreigner, Bill, Soros, that traiterous
> foreigner, has been dumping dollars like an African baby with dysentry
> (yes, Bill, the US alone decided not to relieve Africa's foreign debt,
> Bill, because you care so much about the 'little' people of the world,
> don't you, my little compassionate conservative friend?).

> But Bill, what came above, all that rubbish, was the BEST case scenario -
> that's right, Bill - because we haven't even touched on the worst case
> scenario, have we - and believe it or not, it involves them "towel-heads"
> so beloved by the white house and the freedom givers itching to bring
> democracy or death (and hell they're the same thing as far as them
> foreigners are concerned, am I right Bill?) to an expectant world -

> See, Bill, a constant decline in the US dollars means a concomitant
> decline in foreign investors in the US, and really, Bill, who, besides
> you, would want to invest ten bucks and get five bucks back - certainly
> not rubbish talkers like myself old man; why, germany and japan having
> their stuttering economies ko'd by a strengthening euro and yen is
> positvely good news, isn't it, Bill, and that will teach em germans not to
> invade the world alongside dubya and his merry band of freedom giving
> acolytes ...

> But as usual there is a little problem Bill - see, what happens if the
> foreign investors in the US, Bill, decide to sell their US securities
> because they have become a little annoyed at losing money (negative
> interest rates which, Bill, in case you didn't get the brief, is what is
> happening now) and no longer believe the dollar is sustainable even at its
> current weak levels (lowest since 1992 Bill)? ...

> Yes, Bill, what happens is that the dollar will get the bitch-slapping of
> all bitch-slappings and before you can say argentina, you'll be loading up
> your pick-up with greenbacks (as opposed them pesky wetbacks, eh, Bill,
> for surely you must be one of them there minutemen, am I right?) to go to
> the grocery store for your six-pack ...

> But this, Bill, all of this is the good news, isn't it ... because what
> dubya and fox and you aren't telling your red-american brethren, foaming
> at the mouth at the prospect of more war (I mean liberation!) is the
> REALLY good news ...

> The imminent collapse, Bill, of the dollar as the reserve currency of
> choice ... and that, Bill,

> alex martini enlightened us with:
>> Ah shucks Bill, thanks for the privilege - you RED Americans, sheesh,
>> not only do ya bring liberation world wide, not only are y'all the
>> beacons of shining conservatively compassionate freedom bringing
>> uber-people, but ya even give me the wonderful gift of
>> free-rubbish-talking -

> You talk about Pompus, f*ck me what  did you call this shit you write?

> If that country you were born in, was soo fucking great, why you here?
> would I dare guess that maybe there is better here where you are at?
> Maybe you earn more money, let alone are being given more out in welfare
> things, you know parks, only 1/3rd of your earnings in taxes, nicer homes
> to choose from, better schools?  maybe just life in general you fuck...
> That is, compared to where you were born was what?  please mr so eloquent,
> enlighten us with the stories of no poverty, noone scared to dare say
> anything real or implied against the 'ruling class' or government from
> that country you so proud of?  Here all you are faced with is you make a
> stupid comment the govenrment aint gonna kill your sister-brother-cousins-
> or babies, but by god, some of us here are prolly going to say DUMBASS!
> you compare that to what again, some country?

> Jesus Chrysler you are pompus...  SO, All your troubles will be gone, you
> think, give everything you earn to the government they will treat you
> well, provide not only you but everyone with what we all need...  do it
> then, but leave me the f*ck alone because I (and more like me) want more
> and are willing to work/sacrifice my sweat and years of my life, to get
> it.  Look at this goddam country's population at our age (roughly 20-40
> years of age), over half will follow you, if they think the government
> will give them a goddam HDTV big screen, 2 cars, and 2 bathrooms in every
> goddam home@!  BUT I argue only because I refuse ta accept that You're
> that stupid????  REALLY?

> 70% of this great country have NOT saved even $5000 dollars towards life
> after retirement, the damn same 70% thinks the government will keep thier
> lifestyle as it is now (prime earning level ages of your whole life) 70%
> of american spend  a big % more $$ than they *earn* each year, thanks to
> fucking credit cards, and good old credit...  You people dont have even
> the survival mentality of cave men, back when they had to kill to eat,
> people nowdays think they can eat 2 deer by killing one, where is the
> other deer and how'd you get it?

> Buying cars they cannot fathom the loss of money in it, to impress people
> they dont even know or like... They like you are walking around thinking
> like GOMER PYLE on Valuim, are going to get to where they have to retire
> someday, and go "SHAZAM!!!  I dont have any money, the governement owes me
> the money!!!  GIVE ME MORE MONEY!!!"  If you dont believe me, look at the
> Baby Boomers now!!!

> Oh well...
> Apparenlty you can have it now, in New York, but not where you were born?
> have you done it yet? How about the babies in that same hospital ward you
> were in?   What?  you dont think like minded people you look up to are
> living on "what the government feels they need" do you?  wait...  take
> that back....  not to confuse you I want you to be clear and not jaded.
> If you give up everything I mean everything, you think the government will
> make you as happy as they have seen fit to make the democrats of whom you
> agree, that you support?  I mean how do you justify you getting that kind
> of money but maybe not me?  You preaching fuck...  you do like kings and
> decided you are better?  least the way it is now you actually have to
> prove you are stronger, smarter, and willing to do something to be better
> (and get more) than the next person...

> But since your way is the real truth, if so, and all they do is talk about
> gettng the money and giving it to everyone, where does it come from?  I
> wish you would give up everything, see if it works...  that is soo funny.
> Please pick me to be the one you give millions too!  thanks

>> Why, in that primitive place where I was so unfortunate to have been
>> born, rubbish-talking was practically a birth-right! Oh yes, Bill, I
>> have such vivid memories of public floggings for non-rubbish-talkers
>> - boy, had it not been for freedom-giving compassionate men like
>> yourself, mano-a-mano in the good fight for freedom and Good itself,
>> why we'd all still be babbling rubbish to this very day, can you
>> imagine? Yes, Bill,  had it not been for my sojourn as a wetback in
>> america, I'd be talking so much rubbish and no-one would even tell me!

>> I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a
>> man of such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but
>> Bill, - and I pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but
>> ... don't you think it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy
>> your war-debts, or whether it is China and other Asian central banks
>> that buy them?
>> You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your
>> glorious self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is
>> unfolding for the US economy as you sit there idly massaging your
>> well-fed belly -
>> The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your
>> debt, Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the
>> Hindenburg ... and how long, Bill, do you think, in all your
>> glittering pomposity, before the Chinese start selling their US
>> Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill, that the dollar bill, Bill,
>> starts free-falling like a broker on Wall Street on a Thursday
>> afternoon ...
>> See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster
>> than one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra (and
>> don't forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer than a
>> week), which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth (at 3-4%),
>> becomes about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of bringing democracy
>> and freedom to the Middle East ... but of course, I am talking
>> rubbish Bill, already you can see demcracy taking root eh! Oh yes
>> indeed ...
>> But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other rubbish
>> talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved Leader on
>> one of his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a pretzel
>> because he was sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise
>> interest rates into the teens?

>> And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese
>> enemies will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back
>> your war debt?
>> And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red
>> americans with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt
>> thinking about argentina ...

>> See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these
>> matters), like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the
>> IMF and World Bank, have already noted their alarm at the US foreign
>> debt ... but they, like me, must be talking rubbish, Bill, and only
>> you and dubya really know the 'truth' of irrelevant matters such as - how
>> do you intend to pay for the baby boomers' retirement, medical
>> care, etc. ...
>> Yes, Bill, only you, Dubya, and Fox-ites know the 'real' truth, the
>> rest of us, sadly, are consigned to the rubbish heap of history ...

>> Indeed, Bill, one would - were it not you saying it - think it quite
>> astonishing that the fact that the US now owes more than 30% of its
>> GDP in foreign debt is just a little fly on the belly of the beast
>> that is the US

> -Larry

> >I agree with the fact that oil flow has
>> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration,
>> that was not America's reason for entering the war.

> > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us...

> > -Larry

> > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has
> >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration,
> >> that was not America's reason for entering the war.

> Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time.

> But that's the whole point, see.  It didn't work out as planned, so far.

> Alanb

>> > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us...

>> > -Larry

>> > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has
>> >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration,
>> >> that was not America's reason for entering the war.

>> Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time.

>> But that's the whole point, see.  It didn't work out as planned, so far.

>> Alanb

> LOL.

> Nothing that lying idiot has done in Iraq has worked out as planned.

> Unless you found the WMD's? Two years late if you did, but it would still
> be
> a start.

> --
> David G Fisher

> second, you and I are in agreement that the credit loving red-staters
> will eventually bring your empire to its knees - it's a pity that you
> spent so much time listening to rush and savage and bush and have
> forgotten that there was once a social contract between the people of
> the US and its government - where the government was obliged to use
> the tax revenue for purposes other than foreign adventures;

> But it is senseless even arguing with you, Plowboy, because you really
> believe don't you ... that the US - whose "defense" spending amounts
> to 40% of all defense spending on the planet - needs to spend in the
> region of 500billion dollars a year (not including incedentals like
> Iraq eh) to defend themselves against a bunch of cave-dwellers with
> semi-automatics ... yes, Plowboy, undoubtedly you are right, social
> security means military security ... after all, rather old and poor
> than young and wearing a turban when al qaeda invade florida ...

> dear Plowboy, there was once a time when America understood not only
> its place in the world, but its place vis-a-vis its government; they
> are squandering your heritage and your future, dear Plowboy, and no
> amount of chest-beating on talk radio is going to save you from a
> retirement of cat food and unpaid medical bills ...

> Plowboy, remember that as you dismantle the great social contract of
> Jefferson and Roosevelt, you are dismantling what has made your
> nation great ... but what does it all mean, Plowboy, when foreigners
> like myself come to your nation and criticise ... why, I must be
> alone in rejecting your right-wing politics, and those other
> 40million who voted against you and your beloved leader - well I bet
> they too are foreigners ... am I right, Plowboy? Indeed, only you -
> and your acolytes screaming about nuking "Arabia" on right-wing radio
> are the true representatives of America ...
> "Plowboy" <DoNotre...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:Nfe5e.11861$AL.5031@lakeread08...

>> alex martini enlightened us with:
>>> Ah shucks Bill, thanks for the privilege - you RED Americans,
>>> sheesh, not only do ya bring liberation world wide, not only are
>>> y'all the beacons of shining conservatively compassionate freedom
>>> bringing uber-people, but ya even give me the wonderful gift of
>>> free-rubbish-talking -

>> You talk about Pompus, f*ck me what  did you call this shit you
>> write? If that country you were born in, was soo fucking great, why you
>> here? would I dare guess that maybe there is better here where you
>> are at? Maybe you earn more money, let alone are being given more
>> out in welfare things, you know parks, only 1/3rd of your earnings
>> in taxes, nicer homes to choose from, better schools?  maybe just
>> life in general you fuck... That is, compared to where you were born
>> was what?  please mr so eloquent, enlighten us with the stories of
>> no poverty, noone scared to dare say anything real or implied
>> against the 'ruling class' or government from that country you so
>> proud of?  Here all you are faced with is you make a stupid comment
>> the govenrment aint gonna kill your sister-brother-cousins- or
>> babies, but by god, some of us here are prolly going to say DUMBASS!
>> you compare that to what again, some country? Jesus Chrysler you are
>> pompus...  SO, All your troubles will be
>> gone, you think, give everything you earn to the government they
>> will treat you well, provide not only you but everyone with what we
>> all need...  do it then, but leave me the f*ck alone because I (and
>> more like me) want more and are willing to work/sacrifice my sweat
>> and years of my life, to get it.  Look at this goddam country's
>> population at our age (roughly 20-40 years of age), over half will
>> follow you, if they think the government will give them a goddam
>> HDTV big screen, 2 cars, and 2 bathrooms in every goddam home@!  BUT
>> I argue only because I refuse ta accept that You're that stupid????
>> REALLY? 70% of this great country have NOT saved even $5000 dollars
>> towards
>> life after retirement, the damn same 70% thinks the government will
>> keep thier lifestyle as it is now (prime earning level ages of your
>> whole life) 70% of american spend  a big % more $$ than they *earn*
>> each year, thanks to fucking credit cards, and good old credit... You
>> people dont have even the survival mentality of cave men, back
>> when they had to kill to eat, people nowdays think they can eat 2
>> deer by killing one, where is the other deer and how'd you get it?

>> Buying cars they cannot fathom the loss of money in it, to impress
>> people they dont even know or like... They like you are walking
>> around thinking like GOMER PYLE on Valuim, are going to get to where
>> they have to retire someday, and go "SHAZAM!!!  I dont have any
>> money, the governement owes me the money!!!  GIVE ME MORE MONEY!!!" If
>> you dont believe me, look at the Baby Boomers now!!!

>> Oh well...
>> Apparenlty you can have it now, in New York, but not where you were
>> born? have you done it yet? How about the babies in that same
>> hospital ward you were in?   What?  you dont think like minded
>> people you look up to are living on "what the government feels they
>> need" do you?  wait...  take that back....  not to confuse you I
>> want you to be clear and not jaded. If you give up everything I mean
>> everything, you think the government will make you as happy as they
>> have seen fit to make the democrats of whom you agree, that you
>> support?  I mean how do you justify you getting that kind of money
>> but maybe not me?  You preaching fuck...  you do like kings and
>> decided you are better?  least the way it is now you actually have
>> to prove you are stronger, smarter, and willing to do something to
>> be better (and get more) than the next person... But since your way is
>> the real truth, if so, and all they do is talk
>> about gettng the money and giving it to everyone, where does it come
>> from?  I wish you would give up everything, see if it works...  that
>> is soo funny. Please pick me to be the one you give millions too! thanks
>>> Why, in that primitive place where I was so unfortunate to have been
>>> born, rubbish-talking was practically a birth-right! Oh yes, Bill, I
>>> have such vivid memories of public floggings for non-rubbish-talkers
>>> - boy, had it not been for freedom-giving compassionate men like
>>> yourself, mano-a-mano in the good fight for freedom and Good itself,
>>> why we'd all still be babbling rubbish to this very day, can you
>>> imagine? Yes, Bill,  had it not been for my sojourn as a wetback in
>>> america, I'd be talking so much rubbish and no-one would even tell
>>> me! I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a
>>> man of such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but
>>> Bill, - and I pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but
>>> ... don't you think it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy
>>> your war-debts, or whether it is China and other Asian central banks
>>> that buy them?
>>> You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your
>>> glorious self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is
>>> unfolding for the US economy as you sit there idly massaging your
>>> well-fed belly -
>>> The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your
>>> debt, Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the
>>> Hindenburg ... and how long, Bill, do you think, in all your
>>> glittering pomposity, before the Chinese start selling their US
>>> Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill, that the dollar bill, Bill,
>>> starts free-falling like a broker on Wall Street on a Thursday
>>> afternoon ...
>>> See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster
>>> than one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra
>>> (and don't forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer
>>> than a week), which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth
>>> (at 3-4%), becomes about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of
>>> bringing democracy and freedom to the Middle East ... but of
>>> course, I am talking rubbish Bill, already you can see demcracy taking
>>> root eh! Oh yes
>>> indeed ...
>>> But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other
>>> rubbish talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved
>>> Leader on one of his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a
>>> pretzel
>>> because he was sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise
>>> interest rates into the teens?

>>> And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese
>>> enemies will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back
>>> your war debt?
>>> And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red
>>> americans with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt
>>> thinking about argentina ...

>>> See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these
>>> matters), like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the
>>> IMF and World Bank, have already noted their alarm at the US foreign
>>> debt ... but they, like me, must be talking rubbish, Bill, and only
>>> you and dubya really know the 'truth' of irrelevant matters such as
>>> - how do you intend to pay for the baby boomers' retirement, medical
>>> care, etc. ...
>>> Yes, Bill, only you, Dubya, and Fox-ites know the

> alex martini enlightened us with:
>> Well Plowboy, two things; one, I don't know what the hell you're
>> talking about - kings? - I think you'll find most of the planet
>> outside the US haven't had a king in a thousand years or more with
>> any significant power - unlike your nation, where the Bush clan has
>> been in power for 20 of the last 28 years ...

>> second, you and I are in agreement that the credit loving red-staters
>> will eventually bring your empire to its knees - it's a pity that you
>> spent so much time listening to rush and savage and bush and have
>> forgotten that there was once a social contract between the people of
>> the US and its government - where the government was obliged to use
>> the tax revenue for purposes other than foreign adventures;

>> But it is senseless even arguing with you, Plowboy, because you really
>> believe don't you ... that the US - whose "defense" spending amounts
>> to 40% of all defense spending on the planet - needs to spend in the
>> region of 500billion dollars a year (not including incedentals like
>> Iraq eh) to defend themselves against a bunch of cave-dwellers with
>> semi-automatics ... yes, Plowboy, undoubtedly you are right, social
>> security means military security ... after all, rather old and poor
>> than young and wearing a turban when al qaeda invade florida ...

>> dear Plowboy, there was once a time when America understood not only
>> its place in the world, but its place vis-a-vis its government; they
>> are squandering your heritage and your future, dear Plowboy, and no
>> amount of chest-beating on talk radio is going to save you from a
>> retirement of cat food and unpaid medical bills ...

>> Plowboy, remember that as you dismantle the great social contract of
>> Jefferson and Roosevelt, you are dismantling what has made your
>> nation great ... but what does it all mean, Plowboy, when foreigners
>> like myself come to your nation and criticise ... why, I must be
>> alone in rejecting your right-wing politics, and those other
>> 40million who voted against you and your beloved leader - well I bet
>> they too are foreigners ... am I right, Plowboy? Indeed, only you -
>> and your acolytes screaming about nuking "Arabia" on right-wing radio
>> are the true representatives of America ...
>> "Plowboy" <DoNotre...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:Nfe5e.11861$AL.5031@lakeread08...

>>> alex martini enlightened us with:
>>>> Ah shucks Bill, thanks for the privilege - you RED Americans,
>>>> sheesh, not only do ya bring liberation world wide, not only are
>>>> y'all the beacons of shining conservatively compassionate freedom
>>>> bringing uber-people, but ya even give me the wonderful gift of
>>>> free-rubbish-talking -

>>> You talk about Pompus, f*ck me what  did you call this shit you
>>> write? If that country you were born in, was soo fucking great, why you
>>> here? would I dare guess that maybe there is better here where you
>>> are at? Maybe you earn more money, let alone are being given more
>>> out in welfare things, you know parks, only 1/3rd of your earnings
>>> in taxes, nicer homes to choose from, better schools?  maybe just
>>> life in general you fuck... That is, compared to where you were born
>>> was what?  please mr so eloquent, enlighten us with the stories of
>>> no poverty, noone scared to dare say anything real or implied
>>> against the 'ruling class' or government from that country you so
>>> proud of?  Here all you are faced with is you make a stupid comment
>>> the govenrment aint gonna kill your sister-brother-cousins- or
>>> babies, but by god, some of us here are prolly going to say DUMBASS!
>>> you compare that to what again, some country? Jesus Chrysler you are
>>> pompus...  SO, All your troubles will be
>>> gone, you think, give everything you earn to the government they
>>> will treat you well, provide not only you but everyone with what we
>>> all need...  do it then, but leave me the f*ck alone because I (and
>>> more like me) want more and are willing to work/sacrifice my sweat
>>> and years of my life, to get it.  Look at this goddam country's
>>> population at our age (roughly 20-40 years of age), over half will
>>> follow you, if they think the government will give them a goddam
>>> HDTV big screen, 2 cars, and 2 bathrooms in every goddam home@!  BUT
>>> I argue only because I refuse ta accept that You're that stupid????
>>> REALLY? 70% of this great country have NOT saved even $5000 dollars
>>> towards
>>> life after retirement, the damn same 70% thinks the government will
>>> keep thier lifestyle as it is now (prime earning level ages of your
>>> whole life) 70% of american spend  a big % more $$ than they *earn*
>>> each year, thanks to fucking credit cards, and good old credit... You
>>> people dont have even the survival mentality of cave men, back
>>> when they had to kill to eat, people nowdays think they can eat 2
>>> deer by killing one, where is the other deer and how'd you get it?

>>> Buying cars they cannot fathom the loss of money in it, to impress
>>> people they dont even know or like... They like you are walking
>>> around thinking like GOMER PYLE on Valuim, are going to get to where
>>> they have to retire someday, and go "SHAZAM!!!  I dont have any
>>> money, the governement owes me the money!!!  GIVE ME MORE MONEY!!!" If
>>> you dont believe me, look at the Baby Boomers now!!!

>>> Oh well...
>>> Apparenlty you can have it now, in New York, but not where you were
>>> born? have you done it yet? How about the babies in that same
>>> hospital ward you were in?   What?  you dont think like minded
>>> people you look up to are living on "what the government feels they
>>> need" do you?  wait...  take that back....  not to confuse you I
>>> want you to be clear and not jaded. If you give up everything I mean
>>> everything, you think the government will make you as happy as they
>>> have seen fit to make the democrats of whom you agree, that you
>>> support?  I mean how do you justify you getting that kind of money
>>> but maybe not me?  You preaching fuck...  you do like kings and
>>> decided you are better?  least the way it is now you actually have
>>> to prove you are stronger, smarter, and willing to do something to
>>> be better (and get more) than the next person... But since your way is
>>> the real truth, if so, and all they do is talk
>>> about gettng the money and giving it to everyone, where does it come
>>> from?  I wish you would give up everything, see if it works...  that
>>> is soo funny. Please pick me to be the one you give millions too! thanks
>>>> Why, in that primitive place where I was so unfortunate to have been
>>>> born, rubbish-talking was practically a birth-right! Oh yes, Bill, I
>>>> have such vivid memories of public floggings for non-rubbish-talkers
>>>> - boy, had it not been for freedom-giving compassionate men like
>>>> yourself, mano-a-mano in the good fight for freedom and Good itself,
>>>> why we'd all still be babbling rubbish to this very day, can you
>>>> imagine? Yes, Bill,  had it not been for my sojourn as a wetback in
>>>> america, I'd be talking so much rubbish and no-one would even tell
>>>> me! I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a
>>>> man of such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but
>>>> Bill, - and I pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but
>>>> ... don't you think it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy
>>>> your war-debts, or whether it is China and other Asian central banks
>>>> that buy them?
>>>> You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your
>>>> glorious self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is
>>>> unfolding for the US economy as you sit there idly massaging your
>>>> well-fed belly -
>>>> The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your
>>>> debt, Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the
>>>> Hindenburg ... and how long, Bill, do you think, in all your
>>>> glittering pomposity, before the Chinese start selling their US
>>>> Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill, that the dollar bill, Bill,
>>>> starts free-falling like a broker on Wall Street on a Thursday
>>>> afternoon ...
>>>> See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster
>>>> than one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra
>>>> (and don't forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer
>>>> than a week), which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth
>>>> (at 3-4%), becomes about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of
>>>> bringing democracy and freedom to the Middle East ... but of
>>>> course, I am talking rubbish Bill, already you can see demcracy taking
>>>> root eh! Oh yes
>>>> indeed ...
>>>> But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other
>>>> rubbish talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved
>>>> Leader on one of his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a
>>>> pretzel
>>>> because he was sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise
>>>> interest rates into the teens?

>>>> And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese
>>>> enemies will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back
>>>> your war debt?
>>>> And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red
>>>> americans with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt
>>>> thinking about argentina ...

>>>> See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these
>>>> matters), like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the
>>>> IMF and World

>> > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us...

>> > -Larry

>> > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has
>> >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration,
>> >> that was not America's reason for entering the war.

>> Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time.

>> But that's the whole point, see.  It didn't work out as planned, so far.

>> Alanb

> LOL.

> Nothing that lying idiot has done in Iraq has worked out as planned.

> Unless you found the WMD's? Two years late if you did, but it would still
> be
> a start.

> --
> David G Fisher

> So Iraq didnt have WMD at the time we invaded.  Can you look me in the
> eyes and honestly tell me Saddam never had them?  Yea, the Kirds being
> gassed was a right wing *** <rolls eyes>...

> Has it been perfect?  I never said it was and any reasonable person knows
> this.  But to look at the entire situation in Iraq and the greater Middle
> East and say things arent better now than 2 years ago is plain and simple,
> irrational bordering on delusional.  We saw what 8 years of inactivity got
> us and this way works much better.

> Mitch

>>> > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us...

>>> > -Larry

>>> > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has
>>> >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush
>>> >> Administration,
>>> >> that was not America's reason for entering the war.

>>> Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time.

>>> But that's the whole point, see.  It didn't work out as planned, so far.

>>> Alanb

>> LOL.

>> Nothing that lying idiot has done in Iraq has worked out as planned.

>> Unless you found the WMD's? Two years late if you did, but it would still
>> be
>> a start.

>> --
>> David G Fisher