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Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

Raymond L. Da

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by Raymond L. Da » Sun, 28 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I looked at a satellite photo of the ring someone put in binaries and
noticed that the track has changes quite a bit since the sixties, or GPL has
some flaws.  The main thing I noticed is that the karasel (sp) appears to be
a right hand turn, not a left as in the game.  Also the area near the pits
has changed quite a bit.  Can anyone enlighten me about this?
Robin Lor

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by Robin Lor » Sun, 28 Nov 1999 04:00:00

You are mistaken about the Karussell, it is a left turn in the game, real
life, and on the photo! The old Start (which dipped quite steeply at the end
(esp. compared to GPL) in the old pics I've seen) und Ziel no longer
exists - it had to go to make room for the new GP track (which you can see
the top of at the bottom of the pic) I think the start straight is in the
same place as the old one.

Its a pitty that there isn't more on the bottom of the pic as some of the
old Sdschleife still exists (I went on an exploration last time I was at
the 'ring) and the main road to the camp-site follows the route of part of
it (more or less)

The 'ring is not quite the same as in GPL as in 1970 it was made 'safer' by
planing off some of the jumps (such as Brnnchen and the D?ttinger-H?he
straight) although this allowed drivers to go even quicker. Also the slopes,
hills and banking of the track look nowhere near as steep in GPL as in real
life (except for Exmhle which they seem to have captured the feel of.)
For example if you stand on the left hand exit of Hocheichen and get someone
to stand on the other side of the track, when you look staght ahead you are
looking at their feet!!! That's about 5 foot or so difference, so as you can
tell its quite banked. I know this 'cause me and a mate snook onto the track
at night and tried it! We were convinced the next day we would be able to
take it flat because of this, but sadly it wasn't quite possible.

If you ever get a chance to visit the ring - jump at it! Remember to take it
easy though, watch out for those bikes zooming up in your mirrors, and apex
late!

--
Cheers,

Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer.

http://www.oppositelock.co.uk

Nrburgring and Grand Prix Legends



| I looked at a satellite photo of the ring someone put in binaries and
| noticed that the track has changes quite a bit since the sixties, or GPL
has
| some flaws.  The main thing I noticed is that the karasel (sp) appears to
be
| a right hand turn, not a left as in the game.  Also the area near the pits
| has changed quite a bit.  Can anyone enlighten me about this?
|
|

Michael Staa

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by Michael Staa » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Hello,

Nurburgring changed a bit in 1970, when some turns were taken out because of
safety reasons ( F1 boycotted the Ring in 1970 ).
It changed again in 1984 when the new Grand Prix Circuit was built. Also
nowadays the "Tiergarten"-Section has changed, now there is the Start
for the self-driving Laps.

And the Karussel *is* an left-hander, trust me, I live nearer to the Ring
than the satellite ;-)

I drove the Ring several times with my Road-bicycle ( there is an
Bicycle-Race in June every year on the Nordschleife ) and one time
with my low-horsepower Opel.

The Ring in GPL is quite accurate to the ring in 1967 , only in the sixties
there were more trees and bushes around the track ( and more "safety" walls,
which actually
acted more as an ramp to put the Cars in the air than slow them down ).

Greetings,

Michael Staab
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Robin Lor

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by Robin Lor » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00


| And the Karussel *is* an left-hander, trust me, I live nearer to the Ring
| than the satellite ;-)

You lucky so&so!!!
I would be there every weekend
And evening after work!

--
Cheers,

Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer.

http://www.oppositelock.co.uk

Nrburgring and Grand Prix Legends

Don Scurlo

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by Don Scurlo » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00



Get hold of a copy of the video "In Car 956". I recently did and was very
impressed by how accurate the GPL Ring is.

--
Don Scurlock
Vancouver,B.C.

DjFI

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by DjFI » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I have a huge book (in german, which I have partaly translated) directly from
the Nurburgring.  I'm not a huge GPL fan (just not my type of game) but they did
a fairly good job.  What I noticed is the Karussell (typed this way in my media
guide) the concrete banking begins to late and starts to late.  You can notice
this by watching any of the old video footage seen on Speedvision that this is
wrong.  Since in GPL you turn to the start of the concrete.  In real life you
dove in to the concrete patch just after it starts and out of it just before it
ends.  Otherwise it seams as they did a great job, including when the area
around the start section has been totaly changed it to what we know as the GP
(F1) course of today and also the fact the track is 20 some odd km long.  But my
friend, who plays GPL lots, is still peved they didn't include the warm-up loop
so you didn't have to waste 10 mins of qual just to begin your hot lap, cause as
we know they didn't have to do that back than.

DjFIL


> I looked at a satellite photo of the ring someone put in binaries and
> noticed that the track has changes quite a bit since the sixties, or GPL has
> some flaws.  The main thing I noticed is that the karasel (sp) appears to be
> a right hand turn, not a left as in the game.  Also the area near the pits
> has changed quite a bit.  Can anyone enlighten me about this?

DjFI

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by DjFI » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00

*Extended from last message*
Oops, didn't notify the other bit of your question.  In my map the named turn
"Karussell" is a left hander.  but wasn't there another turn jsut like the
Karussell, if so where along the track is that.

> I looked at a satellite photo of the ring someone put in binaries and
> noticed that the track has changes quite a bit since the sixties, or GPL has
> some flaws.  The main thing I noticed is that the karasel (sp) appears to be
> a right hand turn, not a left as in the game.  Also the area near the pits
> has changed quite a bit.  Can anyone enlighten me about this?

Ian Hil

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by Ian Hil » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00


> *Extended from last message*
> Oops, didn't notify the other bit of your question.  In my map the named
turn
> "Karussell" is a left hander.  but wasn't there another turn jsut like the
> Karussell, if so where along the track is that.

You're probably thinking of the Schwalbenschwanz (sp?) aka "Mini-Karousel".
It's another left-hander, IIRC the last left-hander before the right onto
the long straight. Similar to the Karousel but not as tight and not as
steeply banked.

Regards
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Phil Abe

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by Phil Abe » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00

The second smaller Kleines Karussel is the last left hander before that
difficult sweeping right (Galgenkopf) which leads into the long straight. It
doesn't show up too good in the photo, nor does the pit area.


> *Extended from last message*
> Oops, didn't notify the other bit of your question.  In my map the named
turn
> "Karussell" is a left hander.  but wasn't there another turn jsut like the
> Karussell, if so where along the track is that.

Stefan

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by Stefan » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00

It was 1976, when Lauda crashed....

Stefano

Graeme Nas

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by Graeme Nas » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00

True, but it *was* also boycotted in 1970.

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Cheers!
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Don Scurlo

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by Don Scurlo » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00


This is a huge PITA ! and it would be much appreciated if something could be
done to correct it in GPL.
--
Don Scurlock
Vancouver,B.C.

ymenar

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by ymenar » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00


It's more complicated than to simply punch a hole in the track.  Im almost
sure that the game engine can't model such a thing.  It could if it was
anywhere else on the track but not when it loops around the S/F line.  You
would need to recreate the nurburgring TRK to include anything inside the
loop as objects "inside" the track (like per example at Rouen on the
backstretch you could loop around the escape road, and the objects inside
it).

Also, if it's actually possible, anybody could***off people by lapping
around the loop and getting 1minute laptimes.  At least the good thing about
a 9minute warmup lap is that you have full tyre heat when you start your
hotlaps ! ;)

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Robin Lor

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by Robin Lor » Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Well might as well go ahead and build the whole south loop if you want full
realism, as they still used it in practice back then. As Jackie Stewart said
about the Nordschleife: It wasn't one of those things you went out to do a
warm-up on. You did your warming up on the South Loop and then you went out
on the big circuit and nailed it. To do the north circuit quietly was
something I don't think I ever did in a racing car.

--
Cheers,

Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer.

http://www.oppositelock.co.uk

Nrburgring and Grand Prix Legends



|
| >my friend, who plays GPL lots, is still peved they didn't include the
warm-up
| >loop
| >so you didn't have to waste 10 mins of qual just to begin your hot lap,
cause
| >as
| >we know they didn't have to do that back than.
| >
| >DjFIL
|
| This is a huge PITA ! and it would be much appreciated if something could
be
| done to correct it in GPL.
| --
| Don Scurlock
| Vancouver,B.C.

Hena Hakkane

Nurburgring - Is it correct in GPL ?

by Hena Hakkane » Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:00:00


>I looked at a satellite photo of the ring someone put in binaries and
>noticed that the track has changes quite a bit since the sixties, or GPL
has
>some flaws.  The main thing I noticed is that the karasel (sp) appears to
be
>a right hand turn, not a left as in the game.  Also the area near the pits
>has changed quite a bit.  Can anyone enlighten me about this?

You might want to take a look at my report from Ring and the comparisons
I've made.
Found at http://fgplc.figc.net/Nordschleife/nordschleife.htm

Hena


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