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by **schoone** » Wed, 11 May 2005 22:58:23

Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that went
;-)

>> > Scroll to the bottom of this page.

>> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> > Please release this sim NOW.

>> > --
>> > David G Fisher

>> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed
>> garbage
>> to me :(

> Right.

> rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer you've
> ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six months.

> --
> David G Fisher

by **David G Fishe** » Wed, 11 May 2005 23:01:50

You guys do realize there's been a demo out for months?

--
David G Fisher

> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
you've
> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
months.

> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that
went
> ;-)

> >> > Scroll to the bottom of this page.

> >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml

> >> > Please release this sim NOW.

> >> > --
> >> > David G Fisher

> >> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed
> >> garbage
> >> to me :(

> > Right.

> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
you've
> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
months.

> > --
> > David G Fisher

by **schoone** » Wed, 11 May 2005 23:07:10

I personally don't bother with demos anymore, no time to be beta testing
software, I have limited time to sim as is. When a sim is out and proven
I'll take a look.

> You guys do realize there's been a demo out for months?

> --
> David G Fisher

>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
> you've
>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
> months.

>> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that
> went
>> ;-)

>> >> > Scroll to the bottom of this page.

>> >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml

>> >> > Please release this sim NOW.

>> >> > --
>> >> > David G Fisher

>> >> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed
>> >> garbage
>> >> to me :(

>> > Right.

>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
> you've
>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
> months.

>> > --
>> > David G Fisher

by **Mitch_** » Thu, 12 May 2005 01:25:58

In most cases Id agree with ya but the Rfactor demo isnt just any demo Was
the GPL demo just a demo?

Commenting on a racing sim based on a video isnt doing anyone any good
either.

Mitch

by **schoone** » Thu, 12 May 2005 01:29:54

I never commented based on the demo, I made a remark as to the hype and what
can happen in reality.

> In most cases Id agree with ya but the Rfactor demo isnt just any demo
> Was the GPL demo just a demo?

> Commenting on a racing sim based on a video isnt doing anyone any good
> either.

> Mitch

>>I personally don't bother with demos anymore, no time to be beta testing
>>software, I have limited time to sim as is. When a sim is out and proven
>>I'll take a look.

>>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
>>> you've
>>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
>>> months.

>>>> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that
>>> went
>>>> ;-)

by **jason moye** » Thu, 12 May 2005 03:55:02

> I'd imagine the optimum slip angle of a 1967 vs a 2005 Formula (or
other
> high downforce modern racecars) tire are many degrees apart, allowing
> the 1967 cars much more leeway in how far they can get sideways
before
> it becomes a disadvantage in cornering speed.

Based on the video, it looks like the wings in ISI's engine still
generate downforce when the car is sideways (a'la F1C/F1-2002/etc).

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 12 May 2005 19:53:34

When I looked at the .hdv files for F1c, it appeared they had a formula
for computing yaw and slip reduction in downforce. So I would guess then,
that it is merely a matter of finding a more accepatble value to input into
those formulae...

(anyhow...that's all over my head.)

dave henrie

by **jason moye** » Fri, 13 May 2005 01:05:03

> When I looked at the .hdv files for F1c, it appeared they had a
formula
> for computing yaw and slip reduction in downforce. So I would guess
then,
> that it is merely a matter of finding a more accepatble value to
input into
> those formulae...

Definitely. I always set those to 1.0 for racing the AI, I just wish
they'd set it better by default.

by **Larr** » Fri, 13 May 2005 03:05:43

This one is your loss then. Really...

-Larry

>I personally don't bother with demos anymore, no time to be beta testing
>software, I have limited time to sim as is. When a sim is out and proven
>I'll take a look.

>> You guys do realize there's been a demo out for months?

>> --
>> David G Fisher

>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
>> you've
>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
>> months.

>>> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that
>> went
>>> ;-)

>>> >> > Scroll to the bottom of this page.

>>> >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml

>>> >> > Please release this sim NOW.

>>> >> > --
>>> >> > David G Fisher

>>> >> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed
>>> >> garbage
>>> >> to me :(

>>> > Right.

>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
>> you've
>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
>> months.

>>> > --
>>> > David G Fisher

by **schoone** » Fri, 13 May 2005 03:58:26

No loss, as I said I have no time to be beta testing demos.
When the full version is out and if it is decent and leagues are using it
then I'll consider it. I have past the days of jumping on every new demo
and wasting time with them until they are known to be keepers.

> This one is your loss then. Really...

> -Larry

>>I personally don't bother with demos anymore, no time to be beta testing
>>software, I have limited time to sim as is. When a sim is out and proven
>>I'll take a look.

>>> You guys do realize there's been a demo out for months?

>>> --
>>> David G Fisher

>>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
>>> you've
>>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
>>> months.

>>>> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that
>>> went
>>>> ;-)

>>>> >> > Scroll to the bottom of this page.

>>>> >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml

>>>> >> > Please release this sim NOW.

>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > David G Fisher

>>>> >> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed
>>>> >> garbage
>>>> >> to me :(

>>>> > Right.

>>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
>>> you've
>>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
>>> months.

>>>> > --
>>>> > David G Fisher

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Fri, 13 May 2005 07:01:28

> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
you've
> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
months.

> I'd be happy with 2 out of 3 of those. The graphics, as Steve B said,
> didn't quite look realistic to me either, but wasn't as bothered about
> the look as the physics side of things so didn't comment first time
> around.

Couldn't resist revisting this in light of the GTL presentation videos that
popped up on BHMS today. Assuming SimBin are using gMotor2 as well, there
couldn't be a better example of two totally different aesthetic approaches.
Load them up side by side and that rFactor formula car video looks like an
old Ubisoft game next to GTL.

The former looks like a brightly-colored, oversaturated computer game, while
GTL, at least from the incar view, is getting closer to photorealism.
They're blurry, cruddy MOV's, but the textures and lighting look great.

by **Pete** » Fri, 13 May 2005 22:32:02

> > > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
> you've
> > > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
> months.

> > I'd be happy with 2 out of 3 of those. The graphics, as Steve B said,
> > didn't quite look realistic to me either, but wasn't as bothered about
> > the look as the physics side of things so didn't comment first time
> > around.

> Couldn't resist revisting this in light of the GTL presentation videos that
> popped up on BHMS today. Assuming SimBin are using gMotor2 as well, there
> couldn't be a better example of two totally different aesthetic approaches.
> Load them up side by side and that rFactor formula car video looks like an
> old Ubisoft game next to GTL.

> The former looks like a brightly-colored, oversaturated computer game, while
> GTL, at least from the incar view, is getting closer to photorealism.
> They're blurry, cruddy MOV's, but the textures and lighting look great.

Just took a look at those GTL Quicktime Movies 'to compare' and that
game sure looks interesting, regardless of the graphic qualities. :)

--
Pete Ives
Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email

by **Larr** » Sat, 14 May 2005 02:03:19

You don't HAVE to beta test it is the point.

Just download the damned thing, go racing, and enjoy yourself!

That's what the rest of us are doing.

-Larry

> No loss, as I said I have no time to be beta testing demos.
> When the full version is out and if it is decent and leagues are using it
> then I'll consider it. I have past the days of jumping on every new demo
> and wasting time with them until they are known to be keepers.

>> This one is your loss then. Really...

>> -Larry

>>>I personally don't bother with demos anymore, no time to be beta testing
>>>software, I have limited time to sim as is. When a sim is out and proven
>>>I'll take a look.

>>>> You guys do realize there's been a demo out for months?

>>>> --
>>>> David G Fisher

>>>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
>>>> you've
>>>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
>>>> months.

>>>>> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that
>>>> went
>>>>> ;-)

>>>>> >> > Scroll to the bottom of this page.

>>>>> >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml

>>>>> >> > Please release this sim NOW.

>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > David G Fisher

>>>>> >> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed
>>>>> >> garbage
>>>>> >> to me :(

>>>>> > Right.

>>>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
>>>> you've
>>>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
>>>> months.

>>>>> > --
>>>>> > David G Fisher

by **schoone** » Sat, 14 May 2005 02:20:46

Is it currently being used by any leagues to run competitive points series?
I assume as a demo it is limited in some fashion or is it the complete full
meal deal as it plans to ship?

> You don't HAVE to beta test it is the point.

> Just download the damned thing, go racing, and enjoy yourself!

> That's what the rest of us are doing.

> -Larry

>> No loss, as I said I have no time to be beta testing demos.
>> When the full version is out and if it is decent and leagues are using it
>> then I'll consider it. I have past the days of jumping on every new demo
>> and wasting time with them until they are known to be keepers.

>>> This one is your loss then. Really...

>>> -Larry

>>>>I personally don't bother with demos anymore, no time to be beta testing
>>>>software, I have limited time to sim as is. When a sim is out and
>>>>proven I'll take a look.

>>>>> You guys do realize there's been a demo out for months?

>>>>> --
>>>>> David G Fisher

>>>>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
>>>>> you've
>>>>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
>>>>> months.

>>>>>> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how
>>>>>> that
>>>>> went
>>>>>> ;-)

>>>>>> >> > Scroll to the bottom of this page.

>>>>>> >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml

>>>>>> >> > Please release this sim NOW.

>>>>>> >> > --
>>>>>> >> > David G Fisher

>>>>>> >> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed
>>>>>> >> garbage
>>>>>> >> to me :(

>>>>>> > Right.

>>>>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
>>>>> you've
>>>>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
>>>>> months.

>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > David G Fisher

by **Dave Henri** » Sat, 14 May 2005 02:30:00

It is a mulitplayer test demo. They have crippled a good portion of the
graphics and the physics. Still, when you compare it to a Touring Car mod
from F1c, you'll be pleased. I think ETCC by the RSR mod group was/is
spectacular in representing Touring Cars. The car of choice in the demo
ranges from a near street car to a full blown TC. THink a Honda Civic
morphing into a Real Time Acura Speed World Challenge Touring Car.
There is only one fictional track and only the three levels of the same
type of car, but here is where you need to pay attention.

ISI stuff works differently than Papyrus. I'm not saying better and I'm
certainly not saying worse...but different. You can be using this time to
familiarize yourself with the ISI methodology and controller setups. If
you use 100 linearty for your wheel axis in Papyrus sims, then think 50%
for ISI. If you try and use Papy numbers with rFactor, then you will have
a plowing boat of a car.

So don't worry about 'beta testing' for some company, they have already
done most of the r&D on the multiplayer aspects. What is out there now is
mainly a free classroom. It is a chance for you to get at least familiar
with how this line of sims works.

I loved the demo when it first came out...but I have rarely driven it
since, mainly because I have a league that I don't practice enough for
already, and I'm helping finish some F1c mod stuff so SSM can move on to
fFactor once it finally is released.

dave henrie

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