I've always found Steve's views on simracing very interesting and
informative. Does he still post here?
>> I've always found Steve's views on simracing very interesting and
>> informative. Does he still post here?
> stfu
sssh...last I saw Steve, he was posting on RSC in the GTR forums.
dave henrie
Well, I'm a Steve and here's my view ;)
Pros
====
+ probably the best tire model ever in a sim
+ probably the best AI ever in a sim
+ impressive lighting - headlights, realtime sun movement etc
+ virtual driver is nicely done if you're a GPL 'arms' fan.
+ driver's feet modelled
+ stunning 3D modelling - particularly***pits
+ style of cars make for close, exciting racing
+ most of the other things that are good about GTR
Cons
====
- doesn't have the new rFactor replay editing studio - same old
- multiplayer is still an unknown quanity (are they hiding it again?)
- starforce (not an issue for me but bothers some people)
- cars may not appeal to younger sim racers
> Well, I'm a Steve and here's my view ;)
> Pros
> ====
> + probably the best tire model ever in a sim
> + probably the best AI ever in a sim
> + impressive lighting - headlights, realtime sun movement etc
> + virtual driver is nicely done if you're a GPL 'arms' fan.
> + driver's feet modelled
> + stunning 3D modelling - particularly***pits
> + style of cars make for close, exciting racing
> + most of the other things that are good about GTR
> Cons
> ====
> - doesn't have the new rFactor replay editing studio - same old
> - multiplayer is still an unknown quanity (are they hiding it again?)
> - starforce (not an issue for me but bothers some people)
> - cars may not appeal to younger sim racers
My guess? It's because the tracks don't exist anymore. Seriously. When
you consider how they go on about how meticulously they recreated small
details for current tracks (e.g. bumps), old tracks don't make sense,
because they don't fit. How do you get GPS and telemetry data for something
that no longer exists? They could still do it, but IMHO it'd probably be an
add-on. Otherwise, that whole accurate down to the bumps thing can't go on
the box.
I know, I know.... a lot of you don't care about that last bit.
Alan
Then let's have a look at Spa, pre Bernie Ecclestone.
The road system ALSO exists, so accurate mapping is certainly plausible.
And you're quite correct........not too many of we old curmudgeons would
give a rat's arse about the meticulous recreation of small details such as
bumps, for Christ's sake! Seriously.
Bruce
Seriously...........
T.
> My guess? It's because the tracks don't exist anymore. Seriously. When
> you consider how they go on about how meticulously they recreated small
> details for current tracks (e.g. bumps), old tracks don't make sense,
> because they don't fit. How do you get GPS and telemetry data for something
> that no longer exists? They could still do it, but IMHO it'd probably be an
> add-on. Otherwise, that whole accurate down to the bumps thing can't go on
> the box.
> I know, I know.... a lot of you don't care about that last bit.
> Alan
These modern track, with their wide run-off areas, will make for some
great racing.
The more I consider it, the less I'm worried about old tracks.
Besides all we really need is The Ring, already a GTR version, convert
it to GTL of course thats easier said than done...
I'd love to see GPL's Zandvoort in GTL.
>> My guess? It's because the tracks don't exist anymore. Seriously. When
>> you consider how they go on about how meticulously they recreated small
>> details for current tracks (e.g. bumps), old tracks don't make sense,
>> because they don't fit. How do you get GPS and telemetry data for something
>> that no longer exists? They could still do it, but IMHO it'd probably be an
>> add-on. Otherwise, that whole accurate down to the bumps thing can't go on
>> the box.
>> I know, I know.... a lot of you don't care about that last bit.
>> Alan
>Actually, I think it's more a licensing issue. It's much easier to
>license a current series than to do what papy did with GPL.
>These modern track, with their wide run-off areas, will make for some
>great racing.
>The more I consider it, the less I'm worried about old tracks.
BK
in track heaven... lol
Many tracks have undergone changes here and there. Take Spa. The bus stop,
for example, was updated recently. Small as that may be relative to overall
course length, how can they accurately reproduce Spa with the granularity
they boast about as it existed several decades ago? Bottom line is they
can't.
Maybe they could get fairly close and fudge the rest. You or I might not
particularly mind, but that wouldn't change the fact that fudging runs
contrary to "complete realism." Obviously, they can do whatever they please
regardless of their pitch. I'm just giving one reason why they might choose
not to.
Alan
If the circuits don't exist any more, as they existed in the 1960's, who the
hell is ever going to be able to say..."THAT isn't accurate!"?
No-one, my friend.
And if the general layout is correct (and there is a plethora of historical
data, including circuit layouts to scale) then who the hell cares about
"granularity"?
Not me, for sure, and I'll wager, not anyone else whose racing memories of
these cars (GTL) goes back to the sixties and seventies.
As someone else has posted.....give us the GPL circuits in GTL and we'll be
perfectly happy. :)
Bruce.