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GPL: Online cheating detected !

Remco Moe

GPL: Online cheating detected !

by Remco Moe » Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:00:00


>So this is some sort of design flaw in GPL then... that it will run
>at different speeds at different systems.

No, it isn't a design flaw IMO. GPL has to work with the hardware
it is installed on, it doesn't have a timer of its own <g>

I believe this particular server is a low spec Pentium, which is
running day after day. We all know Windows isn't the most stable
OS to run a program on for a long time, maybe there is some resource
leak which causes the problem.

And don't forget, every PC is running at a different speed. Most of
the time the difference is very small, sometimes the gap is somewhat
larger, through several reasons....(overclocking anyone?)

Remco

Remco Moe

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by Remco Moe » Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:00:00




>>Let's ignore this thread until people have cooled and than look at what
>>happened again. With all this flaming we'll never know the truth.

>It's too bad some people have never heard of email.  They insist on having
>their private pissing matches here in public.

>The original question was: "If someone is running consistent 59 second laps and
>they appear to be cutting corners at full speed, how are they doing this?  Or
>why is this happening?".

>Nobody has even attempted to answer the question.  

Errr, I believe I did....

Remco

larryh..

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by larryh.. » Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Hello all,

After all the flaming in this thread we seem to have little in the way
of facts to go on. So here is some speculation. Perhapes the problem is
something as simple as the sync method being different.

If the different users are using dissimilar sync settings combined with
a flaky connection or bandwidth setting errors could cause this.

I believe a similar phenomena took place early on after 1.1 was
released. The sync bug made the same thing happen until everyone set the
core.ini to sync method = 0. Maybe this is the same problem?

Larry Heir




> >So this is some sort of design flaw in GPL then... that it will run
> >at different speeds at different systems.

> No, it isn't a design flaw IMO. GPL has to work with the hardware
> it is installed on, it doesn't have a timer of its own <g>

> I believe this particular server is a low spec Pentium, which is
> running day after day. We all know Windows isn't the most stable
> OS to run a program on for a long time, maybe there is some resource
> leak which causes the problem.

> And don't forget, every PC is running at a different speed. Most of
> the time the difference is very small, sometimes the gap is somewhat
> larger, through several reasons....(overclocking anyone?)

> Remco

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by mark jeangerar » Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Man O man! Do I wish that was me.... Just once I'd like to stomp the comp
like that.

Just once...

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Mark Jeangerard
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david kar

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by david kar » Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Would that Clinton had thought that dodge up!  Cast yer eyes back about 13
yrs., fellers (or 27 yrs for that matter!)

cheers!
-DK



> > Here in America this is called Clintonic. Change the subject of the
> > argument by painting yourself as the victim of a witch hunt, and
> > everyone quickly forgets the original objective.

>  LOL!  Good one, Tracey!!

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:00:00


IIRC, the laps were 59 sec EXACTLY, every time.  That's a pretty weird(and
consistent) warp...<g>

Eldred
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Marti

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by Marti » Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:00:00



> >So this is some sort of design flaw in GPL then... that it will run
> >at different speeds at different systems.

> No, it isn't a design flaw IMO. GPL has to work with the hardware
> it is installed on, it doesn't have a timer of its own <g>

Well i'd call it a design flaw since in online races the times should be
comparable.... and if one client does a 1:04+ lap in 59 secs (or all
others run those 1:04+ laps in 1:10) then it is anything but comparable
don't you think.
Besides the hardware timer is pretty much the same on all systems.

Actaully i don't think it's the server because then all clients would
have had incredible times. That is if the server clock is slow and
thinks 1:04 is 59 secs then this is true for all clients.

Sure but that's why the programs run at different frame rates on
different systems but IMHO if the game tells you that your lap time
was 2:30 it should actually take about 2:30 real world time to do
such a lap (or at least the offset should be the same on all systems).
That is of course unless somebody starts messing around with the system
timers which is some sort of cheating.
I'm not talking about overclocking - usually the software makes up for
those modifications - otherwise your windows time would be off all the
time.

Anybody knows how the syncronization is actually done in GPL ?
Can it cause the clients to run the game faster/slower than real time ?

One more thing -  Is it possible to modify the cars grip ?
In that case i'd understand why the server thinks that the car
runs into the grass on every corner - but due to the increased
grip it is able to make it and is warped back on the track - ahead
of the others.... just an idea.

Martin

J

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by J » Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Shut up

Jens


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J

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by J » Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Lets make a poll !!!

Jens



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by J » Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Andre,

I'm sure we all (except M.A.) got your point. No need for further explanations.
Just forget this idiot, who's blaming others for impoliteness but isn't capable
of bringing out one single polite sentence himself.

See you

Jens

BTW: How does that killfile-thingie work???
BTW2: IMO anybody who races online and achieves unrealistic short laptimes due
to server-hickup, but doesn't quit by himself IS CHEATING  


>Yes, it was too prematurely, but indeed I was very concerned about
>this.

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by J » Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:00:00

MA, trying to save your ass???
Nobody believes you

Jens


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by J » Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Is that a promise?

Jens


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by J » Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Me too!!

I already stated in another thread:

If he uses this server-failure or whatsoever to win, he IS CHEATING.

If he doesn't know about common WG-laptimes or that we should drive on the
tarmac, he's an idiot.

Jens


>Damn, too late Jan, now Mike's onto you too! :)))

>Andre

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by J » Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:00:00

LOL

Jens



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by J » Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Shut up !!

Nobody is interested in your ***

Jens


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