rec.autos.simulators

by **Mike Adam** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I AM the person that was WARPING, in the race. But for some reason you
felt like I was cheating, and although you did not point the finger directly
to me, you were wrong in your assumption. I did not owe you any kind of
explanation because as you were watching me, your mind was already made up.
You thought I was cheating.
Oh, and by the way, I'm glad you liked the 'but here in AMERICA... Maybe
you learned a valuable lesson about improper accusations.
Mike

P.S. Didn't I see you making hot laps the other night? Were you cheating?
Probably not, but you never know....

by **Andre Warrin** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Damn, too late Jan, now Mike's onto you too! :)))

Andre

>> So Andre was right and it WAS cheating!

>Please post the facts to back up the accusation, or would that be too much
>to ask?

by **Andre Warrin** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

He Jan, back from Australia? Great, I missed our racing and mailing
man!
Quite a lot happened the last three weeks, some new sims, 1.2 for GPL,
new spyboy, we really have to chat again. Tonight, Monza, 20:00?

But back to the topic: Kirk, I can only pray that you're wrong, and
that Remco was right, that this kind of warping is a specific problem
of that GPL server.

And Jan, be very carefull with your statements, before you know it
you've got Mike on your tail... :)

Andre

On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:49:40 +0100, Jan Hovius

>So Andre was right and it WAS cheating!

>> My bet - someone's figured out GPL's online code really good and has a bot
>> that makes it look sorta like its warping, but just moves it really far
>> ahead on the track...which would explain why they were all 59:xx's and not a
>> 1:00:xx or a 58:xx in there too much.

>> --
>> Kirk Lane

>> ICQ: 28171652
>> BRT #187

>> "It goes down the same as a thousand before
>> No one's gettin' smarter, no one's learnin the score
>> The never ending spree of death and *** and hate
>> Is gonna tie your own rope"
>> -'Come Out And Play', The Offspring

>> > This evening I had an online race at Watkins Glen, with 13 other
>> > people. One guy was making constant laps of 59:xx.
>> > I wanted to know how he did this, so after a lap or 3 I quit the race
>> > and watched him. And I saw very strange things.

>> > At allmost every corner, he drove into the grass, and his engine made
>> > such high rpm's that I thought his engine would blow immediately. He
>> > then dissappeared completely, and a second later he was on the track,
>> > at a perfect line, and further ahead than he would have been normally.

>> > The first time I thought it could be a warping problem. But it
>> > happened at EVERY corner. Other people started to watch him too, and
>> > also noticed this. The guy drove on and on, constantly driving 59:xx
>> > laps. According to his braking points and driving style he normally
>> > would drive in the 1:06 - 1:07 zone.

>> > Perhaps it wasn't cheating, and it was a warping problem, but after
>> > everyone who watched him started to wonder. Nobody had warping
>> > problems during that race, and the 59:xx guy didn't jump left and
>> > right on the track as normally seen with warping problems.

>> > Anyone else saw something like this online?

>> > Andre

by **Mike Adam** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Why don't you practice what you preach?
As far as you driving in SCCA, I'm very impressed, really I am. And as far
as you being a wannabe? Have you moved up to WC yet, or are you still
driving BUSCH?

> Mike,

> You are truely a total ***!

> EVERY post I've ever seen from you has been negitive. You're always
flamming
> someone for something.

> And talk about getting your facts before spewing.... You did it to me last
> week about NL and the AI line at Riverside, remember? "He comes across as
> some kind of expert, but he's probably just some wannabe.....". BTW - I
> really did drive there with the SCCA.

> Why don't you grow up, learn some manners and contiribute instead of being
a
> jerk all the time?

> >> So Andre was right and it WAS cheating!

> >Please post the facts to back up the accusation, or would that be too
much
> >to ask?

> >> > My bet - someone's figured out GPL's online code really good and has
a
> >bot
> >> > that makes it look sorta like its warping, but just moves it really
far
> >> > ahead on the track...which would explain why they were all 59:xx's
and
> >not a
> >> > 1:00:xx or a 58:xx in there too much.

> >> > --
> >> > Kirk Lane

> >> > ICQ: 28171652
> >> > BRT #187

> >> > "It goes down the same as a thousand before
> >> > No one's gettin' smarter, no one's learnin the score
> >> > The never ending spree of death and *** and hate
> >> > Is gonna tie your own rope"
> >> > -'Come Out And Play', The Offspring

> >> > > This evening I had an online race at Watkins Glen, with 13 other
> >> > > people. One guy was making constant laps of 59:xx.
> >> > > I wanted to know how he did this, so after a lap or 3 I quit the
race
> >> > > and watched him. And I saw very strange things.

> >> > > At allmost every corner, he drove into the grass, and his engine
made
> >> > > such high rpm's that I thought his engine would blow immediately.
He
> >> > > then dissappeared completely, and a second later he was on the
track,
> >> > > at a perfect line, and further ahead than he would have been
> normally.

> >> > > The first time I thought it could be a warping problem. But it
> >> > > happened at EVERY corner. Other people started to watch him too,
and
> >> > > also noticed this. The guy drove on and on, constantly driving
59:xx
> >> > > laps. According to his braking points and driving style he normally
> >> > > would drive in the 1:06 - 1:07 zone.

> >> > > Perhaps it wasn't cheating, and it was a warping problem, but after
> >> > > everyone who watched him started to wonder. Nobody had warping
> >> > > problems during that race, and the 59:xx guy didn't jump left and
> >> > > right on the track as normally seen with warping problems.

> >> > > Anyone else saw something like this online?

> >> > > Andre

by **Remco Moe** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

>that Remco was right, >

I am always right! (and SO modest <g>)

BTW, to my knowledge isn't it common for that server that it
put "***" in chatlines, that is done by the driver himself. After
reading his posts on this newsgroup, I've to assume Mr Adams was
clarifying that he isn't a cheat, but a ***....

Remco

by **Douglas Sharp** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Your every post only proves my point.

>Why don't you practice what you preach?
>As far as you driving in SCCA, I'm very impressed, really I am. And as far
>as you being a wannabe? Have you moved up to WC yet, or are you still
>driving BUSCH?

>> Mike,

>> You are truely a total ***!

>> EVERY post I've ever seen from you has been negitive. You're always
>flamming
>> someone for something.

>> And talk about getting your facts before spewing.... You did it to me
last
>> week about NL and the AI line at Riverside, remember? "He comes across
as
>> some kind of expert, but he's probably just some wannabe.....". BTW - I
>> really did drive there with the SCCA.

>> Why don't you grow up, learn some manners and contiribute instead of
being
>a
>> jerk all the time?

by **Mike Adam** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Nope, I just didn't feel I owed anyone an explanation, because their mind
was ALREADY made up. And the posts here about cheating, prove it.

> >It WAS me, you jerk, and NO, I DO NOT CHEAT!

> Okay, I believe you. But, based on your reaction just after the race, and
> those since, I'd have to say you're the jerk here.

> Kurt

by **Andre Warrin** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Indeed this wasn't clear since he didn't state this before. So using
the word jerk in this case clearly shows who really is the jerk here.

By the way, what nickname do you use Mike? Since the guy I watched
yesterday had a different name...

Andre

>: It WAS me, you jerk, and NO, I DO NOT CHEAT!

>My apologies. This was not clear.
>Stephen

by **Mike Adam** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Andre, I actually like the idea that you think you have done some great
detective work, and found a cheater. Keep up the good work. As for my
nick? You already know it.
Good day.

> Indeed this wasn't clear since he didn't state this before. So using
> the word jerk in this case clearly shows who really is the jerk here.

> By the way, what nickname do you use Mike? Since the guy I watched
> yesterday had a different name...

> Andre

> >: It WAS me, you jerk, and NO, I DO NOT CHEAT!

> >My apologies. This was not clear.
> >Stephen

by **Andre Warrin** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Indeed, we thought you were cheating, since we never saw this kind of
warping before. It all seemed really strange. That's why we waited
after the race to ask you (if it really was you) about this.
We didn't SAY you were cheating, we THOUGHT this. Most people who
would have seen the race yesterday would start to raise their
eyebrows.
It would only have been polite if you would have stayed and talked to
us after the race, but you didn't. No wonder than that we all REALLY
started to think there was a possibility of cheating involved here and
we all got concerned?

Andre

by **Mike Adam** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Like it was polite for you to start the thread: "GPL: Online cheating
detected !" ? You said you detected it, NOT that there was a "possibility"
of cheating. All I asked for, was you back up your accusation.

by **asgeir nes?e** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

BURN THE WITCH, BURN THE WITCH!!!!!!

And who might that witch be?

Might it be mister Adams, mind you?

Lighten up, maaaan!

Use your mental energy to save the world instead of this crap.

---A---

by **asgeir nes?e** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Point! And a good one, too!

---A---

> Hmm, if it was you, you're surely able to explain what "***" means,
> aren't you?
> Please tell me!!!

> Crash

> Mike Adams schrieb:

> > It WAS me, you jerk, and NO, I DO NOT CHEAT!

by **Mike Adam** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Why don't you practice what you preach? I DO NOT like being accused of
cheating. I guess if someone accused you of cheating it would be OK?? I
was not flaming you. I said I was impressed that you were a REAL driver. I
was being sincere. I honestly was wondering if you had moved up, to a
higher division? Good luck.

> Your every post only proves my point.

> >Why don't you practice what you preach?
> >As far as you driving in SCCA, I'm very impressed, really I am. And as
far
> >as you being a wannabe? Have you moved up to WC yet, or are you still
> >driving BUSCH?

> >> Mike,

> >> You are truely a total ***!

> >> EVERY post I've ever seen from you has been negitive. You're always
> >flamming
> >> someone for something.

> >> And talk about getting your facts before spewing.... You did it to me
> last
> >> week about NL and the AI line at Riverside, remember? "He comes across
> as
> >> some kind of expert, but he's probably just some wannabe.....". BTW -
I
> >> really did drive there with the SCCA.

> >> Why don't you grow up, learn some manners and contiribute instead of
> being
> >a
> >> jerk all the time?

GPL: Online cheating detected !