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Making of Grand Prix, 1966

straito

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by straito » Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:00:55

i would bet that GP plus doco will be released as one at some later
date.Reason.Money

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Steve H



> > Spotted this - The Making of  "Grand Prix" DVD will be available late
> > Sept/early October 2003.
> > 80 minute doco of the 1966 movie.

> Yep, Amazon says it'll be released on my birthday!  Yay!

> But I reallllly wish they'd release the movie itself on DVD.  Man, it
would
> be amazing with my front projector setup.

Bruce Kennewel

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:46:27

Gramps?
How psychic of you - I am a relatively new grandfather, yes. Thanks for
that.

Drive-ins?
Oh yes....I remember those all *too* clearly!! LOL!
But as I said - the crowd which I knocked about with didn't give a rat's
about the plot; it was the cars we went to see it for.

But if you saw it at a drive-in, and you are complaining about the plot, all
I can say is that you took the wrong girl! :)

Bruce.


> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:54:24 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >You *are* talking about a movie that is almost 40 years old - you realise
> >that, do you, sonny? Or are you one of these people who find it so cool
to
> >be so wise with the benefit of decades of hindsight?

> >It is no more a "pathetic soap opera" than many other major movies of
that
> >era and, as one who saw it three times within a month of its release in
> >Cinerama, I can tell you that we couldn't give a rat's arse about the
> >storyline, anyway!

> >Bruce.

> I was there too Gramps. Saw it at a Drive-in. Remember those? Fact is
> that GP is just Peyton Place on wheels.

Bruce Kennewel

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:51:38

Ummm, once again, let me point out that BOTH reviews are using the benefit
of 35 years hindsight.

Now, if you *really* want to be a clever-dick, dig up some reviews from the
period in which the movie was first released and if you can come up with
just one genuine 1966/67 review which alludes to "soap opera", then I'll
walk backwards to Christmas.

Go to it, Chum!

Bruce.


b

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by b » Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:33:57

besides the racing footage (which for most of us in the US was
non-existant) where else could you SEE the drivers that now only are
names in a sim?
i read about these guys, i followed their exploits, but there they
were!
it was not so much about a movie, it was an experience~ 1st hand, and
like any good theatrical show, hte interuptions of the 'story' only
left you hungering for the next racing segment.

if you can't understand that.. well move along... theres' nothing for
you to see here~ and i certainly am not going to try to convince you.

bo

Ruud Dingeman

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:50:26


> influential or thought provoking as GP remains to this day, and from a
> film student perspective I have no problems ranking it right next to
> anything done by Orson Welles or Stanley Kubrick as one of the top
> films ever made.

Well personally I wouldn't go THAT far, since the plot is little better
than sub-average and the love stories detract from the cool stuff
(although I understand *why* they were put in.. Not everyone in the
general public is a racing fan, anyway).

But in general, together with Le Mans it's still the best as far as
*racing* films go, thanks to the good cinematics etc.  And that's kinda
sad, really - in thirty years nobody has made anything really better in
this genre.

On the other hand, it's probably the only film that spawned a computer
simulation (some of you might know it) 30+ years on!

Regards, Rudy

elrik

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by elrik » Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:28:07


LOL  ;o)

Elrikk

ymenar

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by ymenar » Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:56:15


> I have no problems ranking it right next to
> anything done by Orson Welles or Stanley Kubrick as one of the top
> films ever made.

Whoa there, let's not exaggerate here.  From a technical POV, it sure is a
great movie for 1966.  I still feel that Le Mans is a better representation
of the "Driver's angst".

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Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by Goy Larse » Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:00:09


> On this day of our lord, Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:36:53 +0100, "Malc"

> >Because I'd like to know.

> >Malc.

> Jog my memory. I know I've seen it but can't even remember what it was
> about. Is that the one with the guy running from the cops across the
> U.S. in a Dodge Charger?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067927/

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Dav

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by Dav » Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:07:51

One line review:
Cheesy plot, great cars and racing sequences.

A Kubrick fan.

Dave Henri

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by Dave Henri » Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:47:49



> On this day of our lord, Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:36:53 +0100, "Malc"

>>Because I'd like to know.

>>Malc.

> Jog my memory. I know I've seen it but can't even remember what it was
> about. Is that the one with the guy running from the cops across the
> U.S. in a Dodge Charger?

    a Dodge Challenger.   Similar to the cars in the 1970 Trans Am Season.  
The Charger was the Dodge Nascar Vehicle...the CHallenger and it's Plymouth
cousin, the Barracuda, were smaller compared to the Charger and other
Nascar vehicles.  The Barracuda was the featured car in the PC game
Interstate 76.  The Charger was showcased on that fine <wink wink> tv show,
the Dukes of Hazard(the General Lee).  Both cars were
orange...coincidence??

dave henrie

Greg Dun

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by Greg Dun » Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:29:27



> When I interviewed Frankenheimer for my (aborted) "making of" book project,
> he indicated the legal rights to "GP" were all in a twist, but promised he's
> go to bat with his friends in the industry to get it released on DVD to
> coincide with the publishing of the book.  Sadly, he died before he could
> make it happen.

That is a shame.  I saw an interview with him and Garner (well, perhaps
they were interviewed separately ;) where he alluded to a substantial
amount of racing footage which was archived after the film was edited
together.  Wouldn't it be great to have a deluxe edition DVD with hours
of outtake footage included?
Bruce Kennewel

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by Bruce Kennewel » Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:25:36

The point of *that* would be to bring you back to earth and place you In The
Year Of Our Lord in which the movie debuted so that you can understand that
then was *then* and what *was* simply......was. It was 1966, NOT
1966-in-2003.

There is no point in passing judgement on something thirty-odd years after
it first saw the light of day because you are doing so from a completely
different viewpoint to that which existed in 1966.
It would make as much sense to criticise 1960's American and western society
as a whole from the perspective of the 2000's. You cannot legitimately do so
because it is a biased situation.

It's like people who are currently in their twenties - thirties casting
ridicule over the fashions and decor of the 1970's. There just isn't any
legitimacy in doing so because back then, when we were in the same age
group, that was just how things were.

We didn't wake up each morning thinking "Jeez! These flared pants, body
shirts and paisley ties are totally stupid - I guess my kids will poke fun
at them in another thirty year's time!" or "Urrk! That kidney-shaped coffee
table is so uncool, I'd better get rid of it and get a plain rectangular one
so that in 2003 I won't be embarrassed."

How much sense would it have made for us to subject the styles, fashions and
tastes of the 1930's to similar scrutiny?
None whatsoever - just as it makes no sense for you to pass judgement on the
tastes of the 1960's.

Bruce.

Andre Warring

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by Andre Warring » Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:50:50

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:46:27 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"


>Gramps?
>How psychic of you - I am a relatively new grandfather, yes. Thanks for
>that.

Touche and congrats :)

Andre

Andre Warring

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by Andre Warring » Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:12:05



<snip>

Nice comments Jason. About your last comment, everything from Kubrick
is on top of my dvd-shelf, but last week I watched Citizen Kane for
the xxxth time.. not because I like it, but because I still don't
understand what the hell that movie does on #5 at IMDB..
You are obviously are passionatie filmfreak, please enlighten me :)

Andre

Andre Warring

Making of Grand Prix, 1966

by Andre Warring » Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:12:08

On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:07:03 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>When I interviewed Frankenheimer for my (aborted) "making of" book project,
>he indicated the legal rights to "GP" were all in a twist, but promised he's
>go to bat with his friends in the industry to get it released on DVD to
>coincide with the publishing of the book.  Sadly, he died before he could
>make it happen.

If you can't find a publisher for your book (which I can imagine is
very hard to find because of the limited public for your book) then
why don't you sell it as an online book or something?
I think a lot of us are interested in your book, especially the
Frankenheimer interviews, I'd be more than happy to pay for an
electronic version of what you have written sofar..

Andre


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