rec.autos.simulators

by **Tony** » Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:51:24

> The sim community is traditionally an open
> varied community with a lot of small groups doing varied things, with open
> mods, group leagues, custom tracks, add-ons, etc.

It depends how old you are what is traditional :)

The community you described evolved after the mainstream developers
departed (Papyrus) or lost their way (Crammond). For many more years
than we have had small studios and enthusiast groups we had a staedy
flow of blockbuster releases that the vast majority of sim racers used.

The fragmented result of sim racing anarchy without any form of common
ground or organisation (FILSCA tried and failed) has led to the concept
of pick up racing as being a waste of time.

iRacing promises to give us back the de facto sim aligned with an
innovative organisational system to make pick up racing (arrive and
drive) of the highest quality along with league formats rather than
aimless races.

Of course a new hobby of modding which people enjoy and provide
enjoyment to many has developed and that will be catered for by other
products which will continue to flourish as iRacing won't cater for
these. Though in my view this isn't the roots of sim racing.

Cheers
Tony

by **Tony** » Sun, 08 Jun 2008 06:13:48

> I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given up
> *** completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched on
> for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months.

Better turn the filter on, not a single "it's no GPL" in the house...

by **Tony** » Sun, 08 Jun 2008 06:12:44

> Ok.
> So what am I going to need to bring to the dance to get the most out
> of this sim?

> I dropped out of the Beta a loooong time ago from cancer, and while
> things are much better (still alive, obviously) I really haven't kept
> my computer up to bleeding edge.
> I have a p4 3Gig Extreme with 2 gigs of Ram, and I will be getting a
> new video card (maybe) if these bare bones will work. If not, then I
> am going to wait and build a new system.

That sounds fine, many seem to be running the beta with much lower
specs. Obviously the better the video card the better. Is it a
PCI-Express card slot?

Glad to hear you are better.

Cheers
Tony

by **Larr** » Sun, 08 Jun 2008 09:52:38

If you can run today's sims without trouble, iRacing will be fine.

-Larry

by **Larr** » Sun, 08 Jun 2008 09:55:34

I have Live For Speed. Haven't run it in over 2 years.

I can tell from your posts that you don't need any input on this, either
way. You've made up your mind. That's fine.

-Larry

>> 1. Am tired of online crash fests.
>> 2. Truly, TRULY sick of the whole mod thing. Really, I am. I just
>> wanna race these days without all that nonsense.
>> 3. Love the idea of a centralized scoring system.
>> 4. Love the idea of people racing under their REAL names.
>> 5. People being responsible for their actions.

>> And a bunch more.

>> -Larry

> Then why didn't you just buy Live For Speed? It has all that you want
> (real
> name is optional) and does't have a monthly subscription fee.

by **jeffarei** » Sun, 08 Jun 2008 10:50:17

Turn collision mode off.

Then don't download any.

Aren't the scores for each game kept on a game specific central computer?

That way the road rage types have plenty of time to amass
a proper collection of weapons before paying a retribution visit.

Would this mean the road rage guys would have to do their own
ammo loading?

> And a bunch more.

> -Larry

>> There is a lot more and lot less to it compared to other sims. How you see the glass will impact who joins. The sim
>> community is traditionally an open varied community with a lot of small groups doing varied things, with open mods,
>> group leagues, custom tracks, add-ons, etc. iRacing is none of that as I understand it. iRacing is more about
>> regimented organized racing on a grand scale with a central rules board running all aspects, which has both good and
>> bad aspects.

>> Time will tell how it goes, but I personally think the pricing plus strict rules and dictated racing divisions may
>> turn a lot away from it.

>>> Then it's not for you Jack. No problem. It's not expected to be for everyone.

>>> However, your post completely side-steps the community, competition and other aspects of iRacing. There is a lot
>>> more to it than comparing the sim itself against sim xxxxxx.

>>> -Larry

>>>>>> ***es better prepare yourself, simracing is back.

>>>>> I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given up
>>>>> *** completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched on
>>>>> for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months.

>>>>> It sounds like I'd better start filtering out any message with iRacing in
>>>>> it, just in case anyone starts calling it GPL2. :-)

>>>>> Andrew McP

>>>> Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not
>>>> sure it's that much better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not good enough to justify
>>>> the pricing to me.

by **jeffarei** » Sun, 08 Jun 2008 10:53:54

iRacing isn't going to convince my wife otherwise.

by **speedm** » Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:14:19

I didn't think iRacing CAME in a box...
speedmd

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:48:00

> Better turn the filter on, not a single "it's no GPL" in the
> house...

:-) Reading these threads so far, I think I'll be ok. I'm just not the
kind of driver this sim's aimed at. I'm far more comfortable racing AI
offline, and not having to worry about ruining their day with my mistakes,
than paying a regular fee to feel guilty. :-)

If there was a 'buy once, drive offline only' version I'd be far happier,
even if it had quite a high price.

Andrew McP

by **Roger Longcoc** » Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:30:19

>> Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be
>> subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not sure it's that much
>> better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not
>> good enough to justify the pricing to me.

> Thanks for being honest, unlike the other sycphantic beta tester.What you
> posted is what I suspected all along.

We don't want your type of person in iRacing any way.

by **Jon** » Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:05:45

I cant agree more it'll be so interesting to see how this goes...

Yes, there is a market for it and it wont be for everyone.. some thoughts
from a guy from UK who used to race NROS.....

It has to have $$ (or ) behind it, it is the only way to ensure everyone
is in it for the right reasons.. sure you can find leagues in other sims but
i'm also of the opinion that the realism offered via this, from now in the
future, will be as close as it'll be...

Time: I dont know whether I will sign up, I am almost 28 and was on the NROS
as a late ***! I do a load of socccccer and right now I dont know if I can
invest what is required, even if money situation is better, i am not one to
keep subscriptions going when i dont use them..... 5 years down the line who
knows things may be different and i'll want in, we'll just have to see...

I think this absolutely has to have a taster. You might say for twenty USD
its worth getting it for the one month... but i think even that is a bit
much.. perhaps they should look to offer one car (really basic, like a
1300cc hatch), one track, and definitely nothing else but a feel for what it
is.. and time limit it to a week or 14hours of seat time etc.. for like.. i
dunno the cost of a couple of beers in a respectable bar!.. or the cost of a
monthly subscription mag.. eg about 10dollars here. There has to be some
kind of taster, one that can only lead to wanting the bigger picture, with
nothing of any substance to allow someone to be content using it.. heck i
remember the NCR1 demo.. on a 3.5 floppy cover disk!!.. 2 laps of tally qual
unrestricted then it quit out, played that more than i played some full
games haha. could not wait to get in the order for the full release.

I'm sure this can only get better and better and im sure the entire concept
will have a issues just like the real thing, im sure people will try to
cheat, im sure there will be times when the servers blip.. but the idea of
creating an online profile and career where all your actions have
consequence (good or bad) and where everyone is there for the same reason,
and it'll offer the buzz and thrill of the real thing as close as is
possible.. without the danger and the real-world financial situations...
well.. im with franc.. im sure this is going to be so sweet!!

any uk/euro nros crowd still lurking?? =)

-jon

by **Cowboy Bo** » Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:01:46

I have to agree with Larry on this one.

4. Love the idea of people racing under their REAL names.
> That way the road rage types have plenty of time to amass
> a proper collection of weapons before paying a retribution visit.

=> Really? Only in America... I've tried racing ARCA Sim racing online,
but really am tired of those l33t names... RacinDuDz2 and the likes.
I've always used my real name and am still alive today.

Philippe

>> 1. Am tired of online crash fests.
> Turn collision mode off.

>> 2. Truly, TRULY sick of the whole mod thing.
> Then don't download any.

>> 3. Love the idea of a centralized scoring system.
> Aren't the scores for each game kept on a game specific central computer?

>> 4. Love the idea of people racing under their REAL names.
> That way the road rage types have plenty of time to amass
> a proper collection of weapons before paying a retribution visit.

>> 5. People being responsible for their actions.
> Would this mean the road rage guys would have to do their own
> ammo loading?

>> And a bunch more.

>> -Larry

>>> There is a lot more and lot less to it compared to other sims. How you see the glass will impact who joins. The sim
>>> community is traditionally an open varied community with a lot of small groups doing varied things, with open mods,
>>> group leagues, custom tracks, add-ons, etc. iRacing is none of that as I understand it. iRacing is more about
>>> regimented organized racing on a grand scale with a central rules board running all aspects, which has both good and
>>> bad aspects.

>>> Time will tell how it goes, but I personally think the pricing plus strict rules and dictated racing divisions may
>>> turn a lot away from it.

>>>> Then it's not for you Jack. No problem. It's not expected to be for everyone.

>>>> However, your post completely side-steps the community, competition and other aspects of iRacing. There is a lot
>>>> more to it than comparing the sim itself against sim xxxxxx.

>>>> -Larry

>>>>>>> ***es better prepare yourself, simracing is back.
>>>>>> I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given up
>>>>>> *** completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched on
>>>>>> for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months.

>>>>>> It sounds like I'd better start filtering out any message with iRacing in
>>>>>> it, just in case anyone starts calling it GPL2. :-)

>>>>>> Andrew McP

>>>>> Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not
>>>>> sure it's that much better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not good enough to justify
>>>>> the pricing to me.

by **Robert For** » Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:38:45

Never heard of anyone with a real name like "Cowboy Bob" before. Cool. Have
to say though, only morons use their real name on the internet.

by **Robert For** » Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:40:04

Well, just to spite you, I might get a subscription anyway. :)

by **jeffarei** » Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:19:59

Why thank you.

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