Geeze, was that necessary?
1001 Papyrus employees quitting r.a.s. on a wall.. 1002 Papyrus employees
quitting r.a.s. on a wall...
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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
> Thanks for posting this, the only reason I was going to buy NL was for
> Riverside, so now I have an excuse to keep my money.
"Oh, this bug is making me keep my money."
blah, blah.
Excuse me, but you act as if you're ENTITLED to these sims -- as if
Papyrus OWES it to you to create just what little Alan Orton wants
whether it'll make a buck for Papy or not. Let me clue you in to
something. Papyrus Design Group doesn't owe you a damned thing, in spite
of your little whiney hissy-fits. They're in business, sonny, and they'd
damned well better make intelligent business decisions or in the long run
you're not going to see an N4 or any other sim from for that matter.
Maybe that wouldn't matter to you, but it does to me. I can remember
pre-South Park days and if you think you've got it bad now, you should
have tried looking for a good racing sim before Papyrus.
Either you've got a very short memory or you haven't been with Papyrus
since the beginning. N3 is as much of an improvement over N2 as N2 was
over N1 -- more in fact, with the internet interface. That it's not up
to your arbitrary and lofty standards is too damned bad. Papy is in
business to make money, not to appease the whiners on this NG.
The grousing that goes on on this NG is beyond belief sometimes. I'd
like to know what sim Papy should apologize for, you know, the one we've
been waiting for for three years -- the one they "ditched." Could that
be the N3 that everyone wished was based on the GPL engine? Good trick,
since GPL has only been out for less than two years and was something you
had no clue existed or was in the works three years ago.
With this NG, no matter what Papy does, they're screwed. They get dumped
on by great hoardes of folk with hair-trigger mouths and the attention
span of a rug-rat. I'm just glad for Papy's sake that the vast majority
of their fans don't bother to tune in to this sometimes weepfest.
> > And people wonder why no one from Papy ever posts here.
This forum is becoming nothing but a flamefest anymore.... so long....
> > And people wonder why no one from Papy ever posts here.
Sorry if it seems I'm slamming you personally, that wasn't my intention.
But - your replies to my original post and my first rebuttal, seemed to say
I didn't know what I'm talking about. I had to defend my position. As for
knowledge of the track, you could have asked some of your customers with
experience at Riverside to play test for you. We would have been glad to
help. And finally.... will you please look into changing the way points in
turn six?
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Kevin anderson
>Sorry if it seems I'm slamming you personally, that wasn't my intention.
>But - your replies to my original post and my first rebuttal, seemed to say
>I didn't know what I'm talking about. I had to defend my position. As for
>knowledge of the track, you could have asked some of your customers with
>experience at Riverside to play test for you. We would have been glad to
>help. And finally.... will you please look into changing the way points in
>turn six?
> You say you had four videos - well I watched, in person, a lot of races
from
> all over the track and saw a lot more laps than you did. I can attest that
> your line was NOT Dan Gurney's line, and he was the master of Riverside.
> Also as a driver - if I had tried your line I would have been black
flagged
> for going off course.
> But since this is your game... You sound like you're going to do as you
> please regardless so I won't bother anymore.
> >Still it is not a bug since it is something we did on purpose. We had 4
> >different tapes of races at Riverside and all of them show cars going off
> >the track lap after lap at certian points on the track so we decided to
> >model the AI that way.
> >Scott Sanford
> >Papyrus
> >> Yes it is a bug.
> >> I grew up in So. Calif. and saw plenty of races, including NASCAR, at
> >> Riverside. I also raced with the SCCA there many times. Yes the Stock
Car
> >> guys used the dirt sometimes, but not like the AI in NL. Two inside
> wheels
> >> off the pavement (before the dragons teeth were put in) was common, but
> >not
> >> all four wheels every lap.
> >> >Thats not a bug! Watch some old NASCAR tapes from Riverside and you
> will
> >> >see that they spent more time in the dirt than they did on the
asphalt,
> >> >especially in the esses and turn 6, and if you want to be fast at
> >Riverside
> >> >you better master cutting the corner at 6 because there is a lot of
time
> >to
> >> >be made there.
> >> >Scott Sanford
> >> >Papyrus
> >> >> Found an AI bug at Riverside Turn Six. The AI is going all the way
> over
> >> to
> >> >> the fences on both the left going in, and the right at the apex as
the
> >> >> track. This is about 30 ft into the dirt on both sides! This happens
> >with
> >> >> every car on every lap regardles of traffic. Looks like Papy got the
> >way
> >> >> points wrong. Hope they fix this soon - the only reason I bought
this
> >was
> >> >> for Riverside!
> Excuse me, but you act as if you're ENTITLED to these sims -- as if
> Papyrus OWES it to you to create just what little Alan Orton wants
> whether it'll make a buck for Papy or not. Let me clue you in to
> something. Papyrus Design Group doesn't owe you a damned thing, in spite
> of your little whiney hissy-fits. They're in business, sonny, and they'd
> damned well better make intelligent business decisions or in the long run
> you're not going to see an N4 or any other sim from for that matter.
> Maybe that wouldn't matter to you, but it does to me. I can remember
> pre-South Park days and if you think you've got it bad now, you should
> have tried looking for a good racing sim before Papyrus.
> Either you've got a very short memory or you haven't been with Papyrus
> since the beginning. N3 is as much of an improvement over N2 as N2 was
> over N1 -- more in fact, with the internet interface. That it's not up
> to your arbitrary and lofty standards is too damned bad. Papy is in
> business to make money, not to appease the whiners on this NG.
> The grousing that goes on on this NG is beyond belief sometimes. I'd
> like to know what sim Papy should apologize for, you know, the one we've
> been waiting for for three years -- the one they "ditched." Could that
> be the N3 that everyone wished was based on the GPL engine? Good trick,
> since GPL has only been out for less than two years and was something you
> had no clue existed or was in the works three years ago.
> With this NG, no matter what Papy does, they're screwed. They get dumped
> on by great hoardes of folk with hair-trigger mouths and the attention
> span of a rug-rat. I'm just glad for Papy's sake that the vast majority
> of their fans don't bother to tune in to this sometimes weepfest.
> > Well you can only blame yourselves, Papy. You were coming out with N3
> > w/gpl engine and then you ditched it at the last second, no wonder we
> > are a little touchy and picky with this rehashed engine stuff. If you
> > can't take a little criticism maybe your in the wrong business. Never
> > did see a "Sorry" come out of Papyrus or Sierra for ditching the sim
> > everyone was waiting for, for 3 years! Your just lucky you still have
> > customers, but you are losing them quickly. Plus where is the support
> > for Gpl?
> > > And people wonder why no one from Papy ever posts here.
> --
> Bob Curtin
> Worcester Area Strategy & Tactics Exchange
> http://www.tiac.net/users/ten10ths/
> "If God had intended men to join the Army he would have given us green,
> baggy skin"
They did what they did for their own reasons. Nothing we do or say is
gonna change what they've done in the past. Move on, and make
constructive comments for them to base their next sim on. Right now, you
sound like a bunch of goddamn kids throwing a tantrum.
>> And people wonder why no one from Papy ever posts here.
If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown
above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame.
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> Alan,
> Excuse me, but you act as if you're ENTITLED to these sims -- as if
> Papyrus OWES it to you to create just what little Alan Orton wants
> whether it'll make a buck for Papy or not. Let me clue you in to
> something. Papyrus Design Group doesn't owe you a damned thing.
I raise you one.
buzard
> > Sorry if it seems I'm slamming you personally, that wasn't my intention.
> > But - your replies to my original post and my first rebuttal, seemed to
> say
> > I didn't know what I'm talking about. I had to defend my position. As for
> > knowledge of the track, you could have asked some of your customers with
> > experience at Riverside to play test for you. We would have been glad to
> > help. And finally.... will you please look into changing the way points in
> > turn six?
buzard
> > Thanks for posting this, the only reason I was going to buy NL was for
> > Riverside, so now I have an excuse to keep my money.
> There's one of these posts for every game I've ever seen.
> "Oh, this bug is making me keep my money."
> blah, blah.
> And in most cases it is true! I lived in San Bermardino, 10 miles
> north of Riverside and went there for many races. Imagine waiting
> over 5 years for someone to make "your" track and then
> completely***it up because of a very foolish mistake. I have
> been trying to buy the game for the last 3 days (only for Riverside)
> but could not locate it. It appears that it was a good thing I didn't
> find it.
> buzard
