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Eldred

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So then with this logic a corner on an Oval must be different then a corner
on any other type of race course even if it incorporates 70% of the orginal
oval.  A corner is a corner as far as passing is concerned.  

I will get out my fastrack news for the summarys of these protests.  But
then again You probly don't get SportsCar the offical magizine of the SCCA
so you would not know what the specifics of the ruling was anyway.  that
may have been the reason I was a bit vague.  also going thru possibly 2
years of Fastrack notes is not worth trying to disprove someone over the
internet.

Well since you do not have a GCR it going to be hard for me to tell you the
section and paragraph its in.  Actually this is gettting usless since you
actaully think a corner on a oval should be judged differently then a
corner on a road course as far as safe passing is concerned.  

enough on this subject actaully.  If you really think Tracy was in the
right to hit Andretti then so be it.  I guess I will have to watch for you
namewhen I online race since I will know what to expect from you.  Just
turn in never look.

Dave

And if anyone really does not understand this basic racing stuff (forget
who is involved) I hope you do not do any sort of online racing.

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No I don't. I guess you put me in my place.

If you are going to take the time to dispute Rus over this alleged rule, you
would save face if you had some pertinent data to support your claim.

Dave, if either you have the rule or you don't. It's that simple! You know the
old saying: put up or shut up. If you really don't know, just say so. How I
personally judge a corner on an oval or a road course is irrelevant. I just
want to see this alleged rule that you are claiming exists, that disputes Rus
assertion that it doesn't.

O.K. Dave, if that's your witty way of saying that you really don't know about
such a rule, I accept it.

Thank you.

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Tom

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 That we're in the felony room
 But I ain't a judge, you don't have to be nice to me
 But please tell that
 To your friend in the cowboy hat
 You know he keeps on sayin' ev'rythin' twice to me"-dylan

: I will get out my GCR and start looking, but since you do not have one what
: does that help.

Well, I'll be waiting.  I do have a copy of the 1999 GCR, so if you actaully
find this rule, then point me to the exact location.

In fact, I'll even offer up a challenge.  If you can find this rule (and I'm
not talking about the "it is the responsibility of the overtaking driver to
execute a safe pass" one since I alread mentioned that one, but rather the
one where if a driver is not even with another car, it is not his turn, a
written rule, rather than a rule of thumb, that you claim is in the GCR)
I will send you free of charge an R&R Racing hat.

: > Besides that, Rus simply said it was a rule of thumb, not a rule. That
: > doesn't mean the SCCA couldn't disallow such protests, does it?
: >
: Well That was my point if its a rule of thimb then why did these protests
: get disallowed since the driver who hit the overtaking driver would have
: been in the right.

For one thing, neither you or I sat in the Stewards of the Meeting session when
this protest was heard.  Are you familiar with how a protest is handled at a
SCCA event?  For another thing, a rule of thumb is not a written rule, ergo,
there may be many other circumstances that needed to be looked at to come up
with their decision.  A rule of thumb is to help the Stewards make a decision,
but it most certainly cannot be used to determine their decision.

: As the overtaking driver you are repsonsible to make a safe pass.  You have
: the line going into a corner if you are on the inside and you front wheels
: are past the midpoint of the other car.

It is also the responsibility of the driver being overtaken to leave racing
room.  That is also in the GCR.

Rus'L
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Whether Paul was made a bad move is debateable.  And it all comes down
to how one sees the world.

But the fact is that Michael Andretti has dropped out of another
championship hunt late in the season..AGAIN!

It's an unfortunate situation for Michael Andretti.  But he would
rather prove a point on the race track than to drive like other
drivers such as Jimmy Vasser.  Paul is a tough driver to pass.  And
Mikey should have been smart about it.  Instead he forced the issue.

Mikey could have caught Paul in traffic.  But he didn't.

Just my opinion.  And you have yours.

All this stance suits is Paul Tracy, because the driver behind Tracy is
going to back off in circumstances in which, with a different driver
ahead, they would normally have made a pass with confidence.
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Mike

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I do race (SCCA -- I know it's not CART) and I don't agree with the previous
statement in the thread that it is generally accepted that if the overtaking
driver's front wheel is even with the other driver's sidepod, he has the
corner. And they were NOT even going into the corner. MA should have backed
out, IMHO. Of course, I also believe Zinardi's pass on Herta at Laguna Seca
should have been disallowed too, but that's another discussion.....

John

I don't know where you dreamt this up, but it is total bullshit.
It was MA.

Then today, Franchitti was trying to get by PT, and PT was his usual
ahole self. then Franchitti says on the radio, "What the *** is going
on with that ...." Then ABC cut the transmission and apologizes.
Previously his team manager told PT to let Franchitti by if he was
unable to gain on Montoya. Then earlier PT spins after taking the lead
of the race. Then the several laps after the incident with Franchitti, the
ahole crashed out!!

To summarize:

PAUL TRACY SUCKS THE BIG ONE!!!

Questions?
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Mike