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by **Speedy Fa** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

>> On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:37:53 -0400, "Jeff Murchison JR"

>> Bah. It was a racing incident. Back out unless you're at least halfway
>> alongside the guy, which Andretti wasn't. His front tire hit Paul's
>> rear.

>> -Scott Johnson

>Bullshit! Tracy chopped him. The *** even admitted that he knew
>Andretti was there. The only logical conclusion to be drawn is that he
>purposefully took both of them out. Can you imagine Bobby Rahal pulling
>such a stunt? No wonder racing online is so problematic when we have people
>running around thinking these sort of "***" manuvers are racing
>incidents. Unbelieveable.

Mikey should have realized who he was trying to pass.

Not a smart place and time to be passing Paul like that.

Until Mikey cleans it up, this old fart will never win another CART
championship!

by **Speedy Fa** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

>>Sorry but look again, Chicago did not allow side-by-side all the way
>>around.

>May I again ask you to check the video of the incident on ESPN.com and
>please notice just how far through the turn Franchitti and Montoya
>were side by side. The video vindicates my call on this one. Take a
>look for yourself.

Yeah that 1"x1" video certainly does it justice! :>

Can't even tell what colours the cars are!

by **Randy Magrud** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Try the AVI instead of the Real Video feed. I can clearly see what
color each car is. Zoom x2 if you have a hard time with it.

>>>Sorry but look again, Chicago did not allow side-by-side all the way
>>>around.

>>May I again ask you to check the video of the incident on ESPN.com and
>>please notice just how far through the turn Franchitti and Montoya
>>were side by side. The video vindicates my call on this one. Take a
>>look for yourself.

>Yeah that 1"x1" video certainly does it justice! :>

>Can't even tell what colours the cars are!

by **Jeff Vince** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

On 23 Aug 1999 20:58:36 GMT, "DAVID "

>Okay he chopped him, but Little Al did the same ting to Emmo years back at
>Indy, tho it took Al out and now Emmo.

Ummm, there's a *slight* difference between 3 or so laps to go at
the Indy 500 and 100 or so to go at the Chicago 225. :)

So he was pinching him, not making contact. Giving him enough room
to race, but just *barely* enough. Again, slight difference, no?

He may be fourth (and Tracy third), but Tracy's swift move
singlehandedly took *both* of them out of the championship race (about
50 points back with 5 races to go -- it's either Juan or Dario from
here on). :(

OK, we can agree on that. :)

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

by **Greg Cisk** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I agree. Only Senna could get away with that stuff. But then
again Senna was the best, tracy just blows.

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by **Greg Cisk** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I think that "swerving" stuff is considered blocking and illegal.

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by **Chris** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

No, Paul's rear tire hit Andretti's front. Period.

> On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:37:53 -0400, "Jeff Murchison JR"

> >Mike summed up Tracy any one very easy word "***".

> >I don't think CART will do anything to Tracy, even though Parker
Johnstone
> >agreed Paul Tracy was in the wrong. Think about more people are going to
> >tune in for the next race just to see who Tracy is going to take out
next.
> >Although I do agree with Mike that if Tracy keeps it up he is going to
kill
> >someone.

> Bah. It was a racing incident. Back out unless you're at least halfway
> alongside the guy, which Andretti wasn't. His front tire hit Paul's
> rear.

> -Scott Johnson

by **Chris** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Thats the largest piece of ***I've ever seen. Andretti went for the pass,
period. COuld he have backed out? Maybe, but Paul probably STILl
would have tagged him. On the other hand, Paul provoked it and was
the cause of the accident as he CLEARLY in any replay cam down sharply
into the lower racing line. Given the situation and the fact that Paul had
to come sharply down to get into the racing line, Paul knew Andretti was
there and Tracy should have backed off.

by **Chris** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Not a smar place to pass? BS, that was the BEST place to pass was under
braking. And Paul is obviously hard to pass because I doubt many trust him
to keep his line.

Mikey cleans it up? Yeah, ok. More like Paul needs to clean his act up or
just leave CART and go drive for IRL (sorry John B :)

by **Sean** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

You tell'm CHRIS!!!

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by **Jan Verschuere** » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Oh man.... this is getting dense pretty fast.

You don't move down on someone you believe to be alongside until you can
either tell he is behind you or your spotter tells you he is. End of story.
The speeds in CART are such one cannot allow this kind of behaviour to take
place.

I've just visited a Historic Grand Prix weekend at Zolder where the only
yellow flags (and a Safety Car situation) were caused by mechanical
failures. Obviously the stakes aren't as high and the racing budgets /
spares availability are such that having an accident is't an option.
Nevertheless the racing was pretty intense, with some drivers not giving an
inch either way, but still respecting eachoter. It is my opinion one
shouldn't take extra liberties with one's fellow racers just becasue there's
real money at stake or you can afford to wreck a chassis.

Jan.
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by **Jan Verschuere** » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00

An ominous sign (and an indication) of the times we live in that you have to
point that out.

To me it shows the lack of respect of one's private persona by the employer.

Jan.
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by **S Johns** » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00

>> On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:37:53 -0400, "Jeff Murchison JR"

>> Bah. It was a racing incident. Back out unless you're at least halfway
>> alongside the guy, which Andretti wasn't. His front tire hit Paul's
>> rear.

>> -Scott Johnson

>Bullshit! Tracy chopped him. The *** even admitted that he knew
>Andretti was there. The only logical conclusion to be drawn is that he
>purposefully took both of them out. Can you imagine Bobby Rahal pulling
>such a stunt? No wonder racing online is so problematic when we have people
>running around thinking these sort of "***" manuvers are racing
>incidents. Unbelieveable.

>Rick Boyd

Tracy didn't 'chop' him , they just had _very_ different lines through
the corners. Tracy was braking early and going for as late an apex as
possible, whereas Andretti was braking late, turning in early, and
riding the brakes all the way down to the apex. If Andretti was really
faster than Tracy, he would have been alongside him when they hit-he
tried a desperate manuver down the inside.

-Scott Johnson

by **Don Scurlo** » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I remember a couple years back at one of the road courses on a long high
speed straight, Al Unser Jr. was trying to pass Micheal Andretti when
Andretti moved over in front of Unser at the last second and took then both
out, and that was in the middle of a straight with no reason to be
changing lines. Andretti admitted fault saying that he didn't see Unser
coming, but I don't remember Micheal calling HIMSELF an ***.

Don Scurlock
Vancouver,B.C.

by **Jeff Murchison J** » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Well at least he admitted to it, Paul just seemed to say that it was not his
fault at all. Had he said he messed up and may have been to aggresive, I
don't think everyone would be so pissed at him.

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