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by **Jeff Murchison J** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Hey Randy you need to update your signature with the correct link to your
web site :)

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> >Bah. It was a racing incident. Back out unless you're at least halfway
> >alongside the guy, which Andretti wasn't. His front tire hit Paul's
> >rear.

> Sure, if you're on a road course taking a conventional corner. This
> is an oval. Perhaps you missed Franchitti and Montoya just a second
> earlier going through the same corner side by side. There were a lot
> of side-by-side runs through the corner. The room was there. The
> outside guy just needed to hold the outside line and the inside guy
> needed to not move up. Montoya stayed wide to leave racing room for
> Franchitti - a demonstration of how to race side-by-side on an oval.
> Tracy pinched off Michael and ran him out of racing room.

> Your comments about the corner are inapplicable on an oval that allows
> side-by-side racing through a turn.

> Randy

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by **Randy Cassid** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

> On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:37:53 -0400, "Jeff Murchison JR"

> Bah. It was a racing incident. Back out unless you're at least
halfway
> alongside the guy, which Andretti wasn't. His front tire hit Paul's
> rear.

Yeah. Once Paul had pinched Michael down off the banking, and Michael
realized "Holy Crap! He's gonna take me out!", he tried to back off,
causing him to be less than halfway alongside. Prior to that he was
almost completely wheel-to-wheel. Not a very smart move on Paul's
part. He really makes it difficult for his fans (hand partially,
sheepishly raised) to remain fans.

Randy
Speaking completely for myself.

by **Randy Magrud** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Yeah I have 3 sigs in Agent and the wrong one kept cropping up.
Hopefully it's squashed now :)

Randy Magruder
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by **Rick Boy** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

> On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:37:53 -0400, "Jeff Murchison JR"

> Bah. It was a racing incident. Back out unless you're at least halfway
> alongside the guy, which Andretti wasn't. His front tire hit Paul's
> rear.

> -Scott Johnson

Bullshit! Tracy chopped him. The *** even admitted that he knew
Andretti was there. The only logical conclusion to be drawn is that he
purposefully took both of them out. Can you imagine Bobby Rahal pulling
such a stunt? No wonder racing online is so problematic when we have people
running around thinking these sort of "***" manuvers are racing
incidents. Unbelieveable.

Rick Boyd

by **Doug Schneide** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I would think you need both ability and brains to drive well. Tracy has
demonstrated his ability, but he doesn't appear to be much of a "thinking
driver". He does well when he has lots of room and not many delicate
situations. When it comes to tactics he's a bull in china shop. He's
screwed up too many times to just be unlucky. JMHO.

Zog

> Sorry I just had to get that off my chest. First he squeezes him
> on the main straight, then he takes him out in turn 1!!!! I probably
> would not have been able to keep my cool if I were a driver and
> Paul Tracy did that to me.

>***Paul Tracy and the horse he rode in on. I hope Dallenbach
> suspends him again. And Paul, if you are reading this:

> YOU SUCK!!!!

> OK back to GPL :-)

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by **Jeff Murchison J** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Paul tried to say he had no choice that there was only one way through the
turn. Can you say bull shit? I loved what Mike said when ask what step he
would take next in talking to Tracy. "It's like talking to a wall"

Hmm, I know a couple of guys on VROC that act the same way and talking to
them gets the same reaction ;-) Only on VROC I don't have to worry about
losing my life when they do that same dumb crap.

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> > On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:37:53 -0400, "Jeff Murchison JR"

> > Bah. It was a racing incident. Back out unless you're at least halfway
> > alongside the guy, which Andretti wasn't. His front tire hit Paul's
> > rear.

> > -Scott Johnson

> Bullshit! Tracy chopped him. The *** even admitted that he knew
> Andretti was there. The only logical conclusion to be drawn is that he
> purposefully took both of them out. Can you imagine Bobby Rahal pulling
> such a stunt? No wonder racing online is so problematic when we have
people
> running around thinking these sort of "***" manuvers are racing
> incidents. Unbelieveable.

> Rick Boyd

by **Alain** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

> >Bah. It was a racing incident. Back out unless you're at least
halfway
> >alongside the guy, which Andretti wasn't. His front tire hit
Paul's
> >rear.

> Sure, if you're on a road course taking a conventional corner.
This
> is an oval. Perhaps you missed Franchitti and Montoya just a
second
> earlier going through the same corner side by side. There were a
lot
> of side-by-side runs through the corner. The room was there. The
> outside guy just needed to hold the outside line and the inside
guy
> needed to not move up. Montoya stayed wide to leave racing room
for
> Franchitti - a demonstration of how to race side-by-side on an
oval.
> Tracy pinched off Michael and ran him out of racing room.

Side by side going in, single file coming out. Montoya gave in and
backed off midway in the corner, if he hadn't you would've had four
cars in the wall, actually it almost happened. The fact it didn't is
a tribute to the fine driving skills of the two youngsters and
cooler heads prevailing. You also should mention that Franchitti was
the one overtaking and he did it on the outside. In Michael vs.
Paul, the former was passing and he tried to do it on the inside.
Tracy closed the door but Andretti had his nose there. Tracy
could've tried to make the corner anyway, on the outside, off the
racing line, hoping Andretti would eventually back-off but given the
history of the man beside him he knew he wasn't going to give in and
he also knew there was no way he was going to make it all around on
the outside, so it was either going to be Michael or the wall coming
out. It was Michael... and the wall. Whose fault? Andretti caused
it, Tracy provoked it... not without provocation. There you go. Two
of a kind really.

Sorry but look again, Chicago did not allow side-by-side all the way
around.

Alain D

by **Alain** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

> Paul tried to say he had no choice that there was only one way
through the
> turn. Can you say bull shit? I loved what Mike said when ask what
step he
> would take next in talking to Tracy. "It's like talking to a wall"

Yeah, Michael knows a thing or two about talking to a wall...

Alain D

by **Randy Magrud** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Doh! Someone help me kill it!

>Yeah I have 3 sigs in Agent and the wrong one kept cropping up.
>Hopefully it's squashed now :)

>>Hey Randy you need to update your signature with the correct link to your
>>web site :)

>Randy Magruder
>http://members.home.com/rmagruder

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by **Randy Magrud** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

>Sorry but look again, Chicago did not allow side-by-side all the way
>around.

May I again ask you to check the video of the incident on ESPN.com and
please notice just how far through the turn Franchitti and Montoya
were side by side. The video vindicates my call on this one. Take a
look for yourself.

Randy
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by **Randy Magrud** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

>> needed to not move up. Montoya stayed wide to leave racing room
>for Franchitti - a demonstration of how to race side-by-side on an
>oval. Tracy pinched off Michael and ran him out of racing room.

You replied:

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Go to www.espn.com and click on the
link to the story and you will find video of the incident. First
you'll see Franchitti diving INSIDE of Montoya and the two succesfully
going two wide through the corner, and then you'll see 'the incident'.
If you study this AVI a little more carefully, please note that
Montoya (outside) and Franchitti (inside) STAYED Side by side far
longer than Michael and Paul did. They were side by side all the way.
Stop the slider at 6 seconds into the 14 second clip. Montoya and
Franchitti are still side by side wheel to wheel and at the bottom of
the screen you can see the beginnings of Michael's and Paul's car
sliding up towards the wall.

So no, I'm sorry, but the video does NOT support your point of view.
You are wrong on both counts. Franchitti was overtaking on the
INSIDE, and Montoya gave him room underneath significantly farther
around the corner than Paul did with Michael.

I'm glad ESPN has the video footage there for all to see. Enjoy.

Randy

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by **DAVI** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Okay he chopped him, but Little Al did the same ting to Emmo years back at
Indy, tho it took Al out and now Emmo. Mario did almost the very same
thing to Danny Sullivan at Indy. Mario did it with class tho got Danny to
spin and never had to touch him. In the post race interview with Mario he
admitted that he was pushing Danny down lower hoping he would spin. Since
Mario got beat he said this if he had won he would have never mentioned it.
Tracy shoud have given Micheal room. Micheal also should not have trusted
Tracy there and made sure he was low enough to hold position. Remmeber
there are guys who you can race against and guy who will take you out, its
the same online and for real. I was just bummed since I get home turn the
TV on to hear Mike say what a bunch of shit and to see Mario taking off the
headset off and put it away. I often also wonder with all the bad luck
Andretti has how does he stay in top five in points. I was just a bummed
as everyone else that likes Mike too.

Dave

by **Alain** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

> >> needed to not move up. Montoya stayed wide to leave racing
room
> >for Franchitti - a demonstration of how to race side-by-side on
an
> >oval. Tracy pinched off Michael and ran him out of racing room.

> I replied:

> >Side by side going in, single file coming out. Montoya gave in
and
> >backed off midway in the corner, if he hadn't you would've had
four
> >cars in the wall, actually it almost happened. The fact it didn't
is
> >a tribute to the fine driving skills of the two youngsters and
> >cooler heads prevailing. You also should mention that Franchitti
was
> >the one overtaking and he did it on the outside.

Then you said:

- Show quoted text -

And I sheepishly admit:

You are absolutely correct on all counts, and I will immediately eat
my racing helmet as promised...

I guess if Montoya could do it, then Tracy could've done it... or
could he? This kid Montoya is clearly in a class of his own.

So all that's left to decide now is whether Tracy really is whatever
it is that Andretti called him...

That's okay, don't bother answering this ;o)

Alain D

by **Graeme Nas** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Then again, if I had all the built-in body padding that Tracy has I
wouldn't be afraid of getting in an accident either :-)

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by **Randy Magrud** » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

>And I sheepishly admit:

>You are absolutely correct on all counts, and I will immediately eat
>my racing helmet as promised...

>I guess if Montoya could do it, then Tracy could've done it... or
>could he? This kid Montoya is clearly in a class of his own.

>So all that's left to decide now is whether Tracy really is whatever
>it is that Andretti called him...

>That's okay, don't bother answering this ;o)

>Alain D

I will respond by saying you have a lot of class. Some people will
never admit when they are in error. I was a little unsure of my
memory until I found that video, so certainly it can happen. Lord
knows people were low and high on each other all day. It's quite easy
to get confused unless you taped it and analyzed it. I just got lucky
in that my memory was right AND there was video to prove it.

Again, kudos for being classy.

Cheers,

Randy

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