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Oh come on now Bruce.  If we were just treating them as games wouldn't
we still be happy with the likes of the original NASCAR, GP1 or Need for
Speed series, etc.  Why aren't we doing so here?  Because real or
imagined, we want to play 'sims' - software that tries to model the
physics and general driving/racing environment as realistically as
possible.  Now that may come across as some kind of irrational fixation
to you, but it's what this whole 'experience' is about.  That's why 'we'
are part of this NG.  That's why 'we' regard these 'sims' as
entertaining.  That's why 'we' are always wanting the next 'big thing'.  
I, and others here, may be deluding ourselves in that, if you are to be
believed, but, by God, we're going have some ***y good fun whilst
doing so!!

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Pete Ives
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BK

NL will not give me more than 15fps since I put a GF 5200 FX card in my box,
nor will it recognize my USB wheel, so do you know how HAPPY I AM that I can
actually drive these cars again?  Not only that - but I can paint BETTER
renditions of them as well!  :-P

Some people - like everyone's friend Frankie here - LIVE IN THE ***ING
GAME!

'nuff said!

And yeah,I know about the "NSR conversion" stuff going into
rFactor...and quite frankly,the models are not impressive in NSR,why
would they get any better in rFactor?Not enough to make me want to
switch anyways.And I can't help but laugh at some of these folks who are
porting NSR car models over to rFactor.NSR is an ISI "based" game,and it
shows the bugs those engines have.New engine for rFactor you say?...same
old bugs though...hmmm.Try some ovals when (if) they come out...we'll
see if they still brake check...LOL.

I also saw a sprint car mod that's almost done for it too.What arethey
going to race on,road courses?...LMAO.

6 months would be an eternity with ANY ISI games.

That should read "The interest in rF will "continue to" decline (period)

Funny...it's people running into folks like you,that keep multiplayer
numbers from going up.Besides the wreckers...folks don't like
asswipes,either.

And yeah,I know about the "NSR conversion" stuff going into
rFactor...and quite frankly,the models are not impressive in NSR,why
would they get any better in rFactor?Not enough to make me want to
switch anyways.And I can't help but laugh at some of these folks who are
porting NSR car models over to rFactor.NSR is an ISI "based" game,and it
shows the bugs those engines have.New engine for rFactor you say?...same
old bugs though...hmmm.Try some ovals when (if) they come out...we'll
see if they still brake check...LOL.

I also saw a sprint car mod that's almost done for it too.What are they
going to race on,road courses?...LMAO.

6 months would be an eternity with ANY ISI games.

That should read "The interest in rF will "continue to" decline (period)

Funny...it's people running into folks like you,that keep multiplayer
numbers from going up.Besides the wreckers...folks don't like
asswipes,either.

as to rFactor itself.  its  a work in progress.  Its always been common
knowledge that what you paid for wasn't how it was going to look in 12
months time.  it will continue to evolve and change as ISI add new content
to it.

but not everyone is a fan of ISI sims.  I wasn't until rFactor came along.
and no matter what you say, you'll never change their minds.  I accept that.
each person has their own preferences to the sims they play.  what ever
makes each person happy is fine by me.

cheers

steve

So what are you saying Bruce?  That the physics of a game, the immersion
factor etc aren't important to you?  Pull the other one.  :)

Why are you having a blast with a mod that replicates an era of the
1970's?  Why have you just argued with Ymenard when he criticized the
physics of said mod as being next to 'useless'?  Why did you defend the
physics of the mod?  If it's just a game then why would the physics be
that important to you?

I think it is you who is deluding yourself, Bruce?  ;-)

But...like you say...no matter what,you can't change some minds,no
matter hard you try.

With me being only into NASCAR,and moreso into short tracks
(asphalt...not dirt)...then the games of choice for me,are NR2003 which
has a ton of very nice real short tracks,and a very nice Latemodel
mod...and Nascar Heat,which has more mods than any racing game out
there,and also has a plethora of short tracks as well.Most of my modding
buddies from Heat,have tried rFactor...and to them,it's nothing more
than a revamped F1C with prettier graphics...and they,like me..didn't
like F1C very much.Why?...because it's ISI mostly.

That's like some people just don't buy or play Nascar Sim
Racing...because it's made by EA.And the mods made for it (NSR),are just
ported over from NR2003 anyways.It's full of bugs too,like any ISI game
(because of the engine used,and the lack of knowledge from EA when it
comes to that buggy engine).

But honestly,I really do hope you guys get what you want with rFactor.

Now...as far as the main topic here...GN1970 physics.I tried it
briefly,and it was ok.It wasn't anything impressive though.The physics
were chosen because it simulated the era the best...of what was allowed
to be used (by way of iRacing)...so I see no reason to complain about
physics.To me,the physics are fine.I don't care as much about that,as I
do the bad fps hit it causes,and the lack of damage.For a two year
project,I just think it was "still" rushed a bit and could have had more
"finished" about it...but that's only my opinion.Truthfully,I wasn't
that interested in it,in the first place...as that era of Nascar,is not
one I ever cared about.Just my two cents. :)

The "blast" I am having with GN70 is because I can relate to the cars
themselves; we saw a lot of Yank Tanks here in the sixties and early
seventies, many of which were derivatives of the types seen in the sim.

BK

I still play the odd game of Space Invaders or Asteroids.

Anyway, keep enjoying those games because, at the end of the day, it IS
all about having fun, right?  No matter how that fun is attained.  :)

But hey I don't live in the past and I also want the best I can, right now.
We all do, yes, even you Bruce.  Why?  Because we can.  The community can
with good foresight, and the developpers will answer a strong community.  So
you want to let the community die like the flightsimmers or (yeesh) the RTS
stuff, or the point&click adventure games?

I don't want.

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
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I've got more stuff here than I can poke a stick at relating to a lot of the
computer games that have given me great enjoyment down the years and if the
*** industry called it quits tomorrow, I really wouldn't be concerned.
Honestly.
This forum could disappear tonight and, apart from the fact that I'd miss
the repartee that I've enjoyed over the past six or so years, I really
wouldn't be too upset.

You say "let the community die like the flightsimmers...."
I've been into FSims since the very first version of Falcon, and the first
version of MSFS.
But I have never logged onto a flight-sim forum so have no idea what you are
talking about and yet I continue my enjoyment of this series, now with
FS2004.
So whatever might be occurring in the fs community has not tinged my
enjoyment of the simulation itself by one degree.

Can you understand now that I would be affected in a similar way if the
race-simming "community" fell apart?

BK

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Don Burnette