rec.autos.simulators

Hello Everyone,

           I have a little file for everyone to look at.I was in a race
tonight at C***te on Hawaii it had a couple people in itincluding myslef
GT86,my teammate Smokkinu,and the cheater himself RHuggins.First off let me
state taht I have ask Huggins not to join any races that he sees me in
before he joins,and to say he can't even do that.But anyway the race at
C***te was 89 degrees 5% damage on pace off.I did my qual run which
wasn't that bad,not my best but not bad a 186.8,my teammate took the pole
with a blistering 187.1 and Huggins qualified 3rd with a 186.0 I think.But
anyway Huggins took the lead right fromt he green flag dropped with his
turbo boost button he even ran into smoke and was sideways in grass but
still accerelated to over a 100 before he got out of the second dogleg.He
pulled away from me after I got past smoke on firstlap exiting turn 4 the
weird thing is he was running real high in the turns and slowing to around
162 to 163 in turns before he got on gas again these is subtracting the 2
mph speed difference on replays (when you watch a replay of a race the
replay adds about 2 mph to the speeds you see if you hold down the shift
key).I would get back on gas at anywhere from 167 to 171 in which I would
pull 2 to 3 tenths in each turn but would lose it on the straights because
Huggins has this burst of speed exiting turns that is unbelievable where I
would go into the first dogleg at 184 to 185 and exit it at 187 to 189 he
would enter the dogleg at over 190 and cross start finish line at 200 mph
or greater.Also it's not a steady burst of speed he has it jumps from like
170 to 190 then back down to 180 something then to 200+ and so on.You will
have to just see the replay to see what I am talking about so I am
attaching it to this note,and you all will see what I seen and know that
Huggins is a cheating loser and papy needs to do something about him,but
myself and my teammate and many others have talked to the people at Papy
and we have even talked to the man himself Dave Matson and nothing ever
get's done.But if one of us gets fed up with this from months of holding it
in you get where you can't take it anymore and you lose your cool like me
and smoke did one night and did something very stupid.First off it was a
Atlanta race with pace lap and huggins kept slamming on the brakes tring to
get smoke to run into the back of him on pace and running into the side of
my car under pace tring to wreck me  (huggins had pole I was second and
smoke was third) and we got fed up did a very stupid thing and lost are
temper and turned are cars around and went sround the track backwards and
tried to wreck huggins to say we did many times I hit him atleast 10 times
and it never did any damage to his car and yes damage was turned on because
I had to get fixed a couple times :).So what does Huggins do he runs to
Matson and tells him and shows him the replay of us going backwards but
ofcourse not the whole replay of him tring to wreck us and gets us
suspended.But if anyone sends in a replay of huggins cheating or someone
tells Matson about it nothing gets done to him.Smoke and I have talked to
Matson on the phone at length about Huggins once or twice and other people
on Hawaii have sent replays in to Papy all for nothing because they will
not do anything about it.I understand that they can't figure out how he's
doing it or how to stop it.But there is oneway to make him stop and thats
to kick his sorry ass off Hawaii.But Matson and Papy act like they don't
even care.But when I was on the phone with Smoke after the char race he
raced a Atlanta at 50 Degrees with Huggy and Smoke qualified at a whooping
187.3 which is very fast for 50 degrees but it was only good to take second
because Huggy did a 190.5 which is impossible at that temp legally because
Smoke is well known has being the fastest man at Atalanta he hold the qual
record for over 90 degrees and under 90 degrees his fastest time is a 191
at 120 degrees so how in the hell is Huggy going to do a 190.5 at 50
degrees.I will ask Smoke to post the standing and replay from that race
aswell.But anyhow take a look at this replay and you'll see what we have
been complaining about for so long.Have a nice  day and race hard.

GT86
Robert Platts

P.S.  Papy your Patch Car2 sim really sucks!!!!!!! I also plead with you to
do something about Huggy,so that you still care about the custumers that
you've been treating liek ***because of all this.Alot of us are just of
fed up with you as we are with Huggy and the IVGA 's sim is starting to
look a better place to race lately.

P.P.S Sorry to all who were in that Atlanta race I mentioned earlier me and
Smoke just lost control for one race and we will try not let it happen
again and please excuse the bad grammer,I wrote this at 3:30 in the
morning.IF YOU WANT TO SEE THIS REPLAY JUST E-MAIL ME AND I'LL BE MORE THAN
HAPPY TO MAIL IT TO ANYONE

Remember, Papyrus is not here for you; you are here for Papyrus. They will
survive with or without you. you are just a lowly customer who spends
money on their product. You should feel lucky that they only charge $50
for their product. You should feel lucky that they even let you buy it.
They will tell you it is worth hundreds of dollars.

It doesn't matter that you spend alot of money on Hawaii. You are lucky
that you have the ability to race on their immaculate system.

In all seriousness, Papyrus continues to display their***poor customer
relations time and time again. These guys make alot of money and I really
don't think that they realize who gives it to them. Well Sunshine
(Papyrus) with your attitude you will soon have to pay the consequences.
Congratulations on alienating more customers.

Pull your head out of the sand and start listening empaticly to the people
who pay your bills.

Maybe you should be happy with what you have. Looks to me that Papy are
working very hard to satisfy their customers.
--
Dave Bowers

Maybe RHuggins is Dave Matson.

Oh that's a juicy rumor!!

Please don't forget, if you use Hawaii, your not a customer since your
not paying Papy anything at all for the use of the service. Your still a
beta tester. Do your testing, report your findings and wait for the
NROS. On the NROS you'll be a customer and you'll have every right
to complain to Papy. You can bet I will if I find a competitor has
consistantly unrealistic acceleration curves etc...

Maybe, just maybe, the reason some cheaters are allowed free reign
on Hawaii could be because the more ridiculous the things they do on
the beta service (Hawaii) the more ammo Papy has when they don't
allow these individuals to run on the NROS. Or... they don't have code
in place on Hawaii (hopefully on the NROS) that can reasonably prove
cheating at this time and that there are legal ramifications to kicking
them off the service at this time. Either way, I've gotta believe that
these jokers are not going to be allowed to ruin something as big as
the NROS!

Mr. Robert Huggins once posted on this newsgroup that
(paraphrased) determining what cheating is and isn't is a very
complex issue. I agree but must say that it would probably
somewhat less complex if he solicited the advise of his mother.
There's no doubt that cheating makes the production of a service
like the NROS an extremely complex process for sure!

Of course, all of my comments about Papy/Hawaii are pure
speculation and long winded but I just felt compelled ;-)

Mike Radler

Hawaii Ace League http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Dave,

You are right!!! To all: Don't feel bad. I have been in the software
development biz for a while now and have found that a majority of software
companies (including the mighty Microsmurf) don't give a rats about
customer service. Most will use their earnings to pay the high programmer
fees and into new products while they chintz on tech support, manual
writing, and customer support. I couldn't tell you the countless hours (no
days) I have spent on the phone, on my dime I might add, waiting for a
support person to talk to me and end up getting a worthless answer or a
"gee it has to be your hardware" or have the tech support person talk in
circles until you finally hang up in disgust without my problem solved.
This is an industry wide problem and the only way to stop it is to not buy
the product. That aint going to happen.

Papyrus does make a good product at a VERY reasonable price. I know what it
takes to make products such as theirs. Too bad they fallow the industry
standard in customer service. Of course, that's why we have (need)
newsgroups such as this.

-Crash

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I could not have said this any better.  I follow this new group very
close but seldom reply.  Your opinion of this *** is right on the
money and I have to say I agree 100%.

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