rec.autos.simulators

by **Scott Lyma** » Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:30:24

In reading the user reviews from a few websites about the game, a
complaint I see a lot is of horrible AI. The demo doesn't let you race
against other cars, so I can't attest to this myself. For those of you
who have it, how good/bad is it?
--
Scott Lyman
ICQ 88979227

by **T.A. Mille** » Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:18:17

Horrible, worthless, waste of time.

Plus there is no save race feature, meaning you can't run a complete race
unless you have 3 hours to sit in front of your PC - and even then there is
no way to save your place before the AI decides to kamikaze you into the
wall. Hell, you can't even pause and alt-tab back to the desktop for a
moment without the screen freaking out.

Unless you plan on racing multiplayer, there is no racing in N4. And the
multiplayer is almost as bad as the AI in most cases. Occasionally you can
find a good race (no morons) on a good server, but rarely.

Like GPL, N4 is fun to drive, but that's about it. I think of it more as a
driving simulator than a racing simulator, and driving around in circles
gets old quick. If theuspits (Noonan) can do a 'Ring conversion then it
might be worth the space on the hard drive.

by **John DiFoo** » Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:56:08

> In reading the user reviews from a few websites about the game, a
> complaint I see a lot is of horrible AI. The demo doesn't let you race
> against other cars, so I can't attest to this myself. For those of you
> who have it, how good/bad is it?

Other people have complained that AI cars run them over, and
try to crowd them out while running a*** (all of which is true);
my biggest complaint however is that the passing code is horrendous.
The AI hardly ever tries to pass in the high groove in the turns, and
as a result one slow car can bring the lead draft train to a screeching
halt (and yeah the lapped cars won't get out of the way unless they
are going significantly slower than the lead cars).

John DiFool

by **fluffypon** » Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:22:10

this is the WHOLE reason I race online :)

> Horrible, worthless, waste of time.

> Plus there is no save race feature, meaning you can't run a complete race
> unless you have 3 hours to sit in front of your PC - and even then there is
> no way to save your place before the AI decides to kamikaze you into the
> wall. Hell, you can't even pause and alt-tab back to the desktop for a
> moment without the screen freaking out.

> Unless you plan on racing multiplayer, there is no racing in N4. And the
> multiplayer is almost as bad as the AI in most cases. Occasionally you can
> find a good race (no morons) on a good server, but rarely.

> Like GPL, N4 is fun to drive, but that's about it. I think of it more as a
> driving simulator than a racing simulator, and driving around in circles
> gets old quick. If theuspits (Noonan) can do a 'Ring conversion then it
> might be worth the space on the hard drive.

> > In reading the user reviews from a few websites about the game, a
> > complaint I see a lot is of horrible AI. The demo doesn't let you race
> > against other cars, so I can't attest to this myself. For those of you
> > who have it, how good/bad is it?
> > --
> > Scott Lyman
> > ICQ 88979227

by **Tim Mise** » Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:58:02

Alt-tab works for me.

I race 50% of the full race length and THAT takes 3-4 hours! Save game
feature would have been nice.

-Tim

> Horrible, worthless, waste of time.

> Plus there is no save race feature, meaning you can't run a complete race
> unless you have 3 hours to sit in front of your PC - and even then there
is
> no way to save your place before the AI decides to kamikaze you into the
> wall. Hell, you can't even pause and alt-tab back to the desktop for a
> moment without the screen freaking out.

> Unless you plan on racing multiplayer, there is no racing in N4. And the
> multiplayer is almost as bad as the AI in most cases. Occasionally you can
> find a good race (no morons) on a good server, but rarely.

> Like GPL, N4 is fun to drive, but that's about it. I think of it more as a
> driving simulator than a racing simulator, and driving around in circles
> gets old quick. If theuspits (Noonan) can do a 'Ring conversion then it
> might be worth the space on the hard drive.

> > In reading the user reviews from a few websites about the game, a
> > complaint I see a lot is of horrible AI. The demo doesn't let you race
> > against other cars, so I can't attest to this myself. For those of you
> > who have it, how good/bad is it?
> > --
> > Scott Lyman
> > ICQ 88979227

by **RFuschill** » Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:10:12

New patch is out and the AI is much better!!!

by **Bryon Lap** » Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:19:06

Back in ICR1 it was bad like that on ovals, except the slow car was high. I
created a carset that had some really slow cars in it just because of that
"feature". It could bring the whole field to a slow crawl and it made it
difficult on high speeds tracks because you would come flying around to see a
very slow crowd in front. Most of the time you had to pass in the grass.

> > In reading the user reviews from a few websites about the game, a
> > complaint I see a lot is of horrible AI. The demo doesn't let you race
> > against other cars, so I can't attest to this myself. For those of you
> > who have it, how good/bad is it?

> Other people have complained that AI cars run them over, and
> try to crowd them out while running a*** (all of which is true);
> my biggest complaint however is that the passing code is horrendous.
> The AI hardly ever tries to pass in the high groove in the turns, and
> as a result one slow car can bring the lead draft train to a screeching
> halt (and yeah the lapped cars won't get out of the way unless they
> are going significantly slower than the lead cars).

> John DiFool

by **Don Burnett** » Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:25:52

It's not bad, but not what you would call the greatest either, at least not
in the release version. With the patch released today however, I think you
will be pleased. It is an awesome sim.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.

by **Don Burnett** » Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:27:46

I have to disagree, imho. I have had hours of great fun with N4, both online
and offline. The key to online is finding good races, making friends,
joining a league, etc. Offline is learning the ai behaviour and dealing with
it. And now that the patch has been released, it is much better.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.

> Horrible, worthless, waste of time.

> Plus there is no save race feature, meaning you can't run a complete race
> unless you have 3 hours to sit in front of your PC - and even then there
is
> no way to save your place before the AI decides to kamikaze you into the
> wall. Hell, you can't even pause and alt-tab back to the desktop for a
> moment without the screen freaking out.

> Unless you plan on racing multiplayer, there is no racing in N4. And the
> multiplayer is almost as bad as the AI in most cases. Occasionally you can
> find a good race (no morons) on a good server, but rarely.

> Like GPL, N4 is fun to drive, but that's about it. I think of it more as a
> driving simulator than a racing simulator, and driving around in circles
> gets old quick. If theuspits (Noonan) can do a 'Ring conversion then it
> might be worth the space on the hard drive.

> > In reading the user reviews from a few websites about the game, a
> > complaint I see a lot is of horrible AI. The demo doesn't let you race
> > against other cars, so I can't attest to this myself. For those of you
> > who have it, how good/bad is it?
> > --
> > Scott Lyman
> > ICQ 88979227

by **Ronnie Bigwhi** » Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:41:15

Its ok but it seems like the AI let you away with way too much stuff, they
try way too much to get outta your way. :(

> I have to disagree, imho. I have had hours of great fun with N4, both
online
> and offline. The key to online is finding good races, making friends,
> joining a league, etc. Offline is learning the ai behaviour and dealing
with
> it. And now that the patch has been released, it is much better.

> --
> Don Burnette
> D Burnette in N4

> Some people do nothing wrong.
> The problem is, they do nothing.
> And THAT is wrong.

> > Horrible, worthless, waste of time.

> > Plus there is no save race feature, meaning you can't run a complete
race
> > unless you have 3 hours to sit in front of your PC - and even then there
> is
> > no way to save your place before the AI decides to kamikaze you into the
> > wall. Hell, you can't even pause and alt-tab back to the desktop for a
> > moment without the screen freaking out.

> > Unless you plan on racing multiplayer, there is no racing in N4. And the
> > multiplayer is almost as bad as the AI in most cases. Occasionally you
can
> > find a good race (no morons) on a good server, but rarely.

> > Like GPL, N4 is fun to drive, but that's about it. I think of it more as
a
> > driving simulator than a racing simulator, and driving around in circles
> > gets old quick. If theuspits (Noonan) can do a 'Ring conversion then it
> > might be worth the space on the hard drive.

> > > In reading the user reviews from a few websites about the game, a
> > > complaint I see a lot is of horrible AI. The demo doesn't let you
race
> > > against other cars, so I can't attest to this myself. For those of
you
> > > who have it, how good/bad is it?
> > > --
> > > Scott Lyman
> > > ICQ 88979227

by **rec.autos.simulator** » Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:32:17

What video card? With my V5 in D3D the screen gets trashed so bad it's
hard to find the exit.

by **rec.autos.simulator** » Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:54:28

I wish I had hours to spend having fun, consecutively, but right now I
don't so online racing isn't an option these days nor is offline
racing if I can't save my place.

> I have to disagree, imho. I have had hours of great fun with N4,
both online
> and offline. The key to online is finding good races, making
friends,
> joining a league, etc. Offline is learning the ai behaviour and
dealing with
> it. And now that the patch has been released, it is much better.

> --
> Don Burnette
> D Burnette in N4

> Some people do nothing wrong.
> The problem is, they do nothing.
> And THAT is wrong.

> > Horrible, worthless, waste of time.

> > Plus there is no save race feature, meaning you can't run a
complete race
> > unless you have 3 hours to sit in front of your PC - and even then
there
> is
> > no way to save your place before the AI decides to kamikaze you
into the
> > wall. Hell, you can't even pause and alt-tab back to the desktop
for a
> > moment without the screen freaking out.

> > Unless you plan on racing multiplayer, there is no racing in N4.
And the
> > multiplayer is almost as bad as the AI in most cases. Occasionally
you can
> > find a good race (no morons) on a good server, but rarely.

> > Like GPL, N4 is fun to drive, but that's about it. I think of it
more as a
> > driving simulator than a racing simulator, and driving around in
circles
> > gets old quick. If theuspits (Noonan) can do a 'Ring conversion
then it
> > might be worth the space on the hard drive.

> > > In reading the user reviews from a few websites about the game,
a
> > > complaint I see a lot is of horrible AI. The demo doesn't let
you race
> > > against other cars, so I can't attest to this myself. For those
of you
> > > who have it, how good/bad is it?
> > > --
> > > Scott Lyman
> > > ICQ 88979227

by **Don Burnett** » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:14:32

Yeah, they can be a little wimpy at times. But hey, I don't think the day
will ever come anyone can program an ai to replicate actual human behaviour.
Until they can, then we'll always find weaknesses in the ai. That's why I
love online racing.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.

> Its ok but it seems like the AI let you away with way too much stuff, they
> try way too much to get outta your way. :(

> > I have to disagree, imho. I have had hours of great fun with N4, both
> online
> > and offline. The key to online is finding good races, making friends,
> > joining a league, etc. Offline is learning the ai behaviour and dealing
> with
> > it. And now that the patch has been released, it is much better.

> > --
> > Don Burnette
> > D Burnette in N4

> > Some people do nothing wrong.
> > The problem is, they do nothing.
> > And THAT is wrong.

> > > Horrible, worthless, waste of time.

> > > Plus there is no save race feature, meaning you can't run a complete
> race
> > > unless you have 3 hours to sit in front of your PC - and even then
there
> > is
> > > no way to save your place before the AI decides to kamikaze you into
the
> > > wall. Hell, you can't even pause and alt-tab back to the desktop for a
> > > moment without the screen freaking out.

> > > Unless you plan on racing multiplayer, there is no racing in N4. And
the
> > > multiplayer is almost as bad as the AI in most cases. Occasionally you
> can
> > > find a good race (no morons) on a good server, but rarely.

> > > Like GPL, N4 is fun to drive, but that's about it. I think of it more
as
> a
> > > driving simulator than a racing simulator, and driving around in
circles
> > > gets old quick. If theuspits (Noonan) can do a 'Ring conversion then
it
> > > might be worth the space on the hard drive.

> > > > In reading the user reviews from a few websites about the game, a
> > > > complaint I see a lot is of horrible AI. The demo doesn't let you
> race
> > > > against other cars, so I can't attest to this myself. For those of
> you
> > > > who have it, how good/bad is it?
> > > > --
> > > > Scott Lyman
> > > > ICQ 88979227

by **Don Burnett** » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:17:11

No offense, but why do you need hours consecutively? I have had some
fantastic races online that last as little as an hour. Some even less. I
too have an extremely busy life and not much spare time for anything
anymore, but I always manage to squeeze in at least a couple hours a week
for online racing. I find it very enjoyable.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.

> I wish I had hours to spend having fun, consecutively, but right now I
> don't so online racing isn't an option these days nor is offline
> racing if I can't save my place.

> > I have to disagree, imho. I have had hours of great fun with N4,
> both online
> > and offline. The key to online is finding good races, making
> friends,
> > joining a league, etc. Offline is learning the ai behaviour and
> dealing with
> > it. And now that the patch has been released, it is much better.

> > --
> > Don Burnette
> > D Burnette in N4

> > Some people do nothing wrong.
> > The problem is, they do nothing.
> > And THAT is wrong.

> > > Horrible, worthless, waste of time.

> > > Plus there is no save race feature, meaning you can't run a
> complete race
> > > unless you have 3 hours to sit in front of your PC - and even then
> there
> > is
> > > no way to save your place before the AI decides to kamikaze you
> into the
> > > wall. Hell, you can't even pause and alt-tab back to the desktop
> for a
> > > moment without the screen freaking out.

> > > Unless you plan on racing multiplayer, there is no racing in N4.
> And the
> > > multiplayer is almost as bad as the AI in most cases. Occasionally
> you can
> > > find a good race (no morons) on a good server, but rarely.

> > > Like GPL, N4 is fun to drive, but that's about it. I think of it
> more as a
> > > driving simulator than a racing simulator, and driving around in
> circles
> > > gets old quick. If theuspits (Noonan) can do a 'Ring conversion
> then it
> > > might be worth the space on the hard drive.

> > > > In reading the user reviews from a few websites about the game,
> a
> > > > complaint I see a lot is of horrible AI. The demo doesn't let
> you race
> > > > against other cars, so I can't attest to this myself. For those
> of you
> > > > who have it, how good/bad is it?
> > > > --
> > > > Scott Lyman
> > > > ICQ 88979227

by **Ronnie Bigwhi** » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:19:03

Its still fun and N4 still rules. :)

> Yeah, they can be a little wimpy at times. But hey, I don't think the day
> will ever come anyone can program an ai to replicate actual human
behaviour.
> Until they can, then we'll always find weaknesses in the ai. That's why I
> love online racing.

> --
> Don Burnette
> D Burnette in N4

> Some people do nothing wrong.
> The problem is, they do nothing.
> And THAT is wrong.

> > Its ok but it seems like the AI let you away with way too much stuff,
they
> > try way too much to get outta your way. :(

> > > I have to disagree, imho. I have had hours of great fun with N4, both
> > online
> > > and offline. The key to online is finding good races, making friends,
> > > joining a league, etc. Offline is learning the ai behaviour and
dealing
> > with
> > > it. And now that the patch has been released, it is much better.

> > > --
> > > Don Burnette
> > > D Burnette in N4

> > > Some people do nothing wrong.
> > > The problem is, they do nothing.
> > > And THAT is wrong.

> > > > Horrible, worthless, waste of time.

> > > > Plus there is no save race feature, meaning you can't run a complete
> > race
> > > > unless you have 3 hours to sit in front of your PC - and even then
> there
> > > is
> > > > no way to save your place before the AI decides to kamikaze you into
> the
> > > > wall. Hell, you can't even pause and alt-tab back to the desktop for
a
> > > > moment without the screen freaking out.

> > > > Unless you plan on racing multiplayer, there is no racing in N4. And
> the
> > > > multiplayer is almost as bad as the AI in most cases. Occasionally
you
> > can
> > > > find a good race (no morons) on a good server, but rarely.

> > > > Like GPL, N4 is fun to drive, but that's about it. I think of it
more
> as
> > a
> > > > driving simulator than a racing simulator, and driving around in
> circles
> > > > gets old quick. If theuspits (Noonan) can do a 'Ring conversion then
> it
> > > > might be worth the space on the hard drive.

> > > > > In reading the user reviews from a few websites about the game, a
> > > > > complaint I see a lot is of horrible AI. The demo doesn't let you
> > race
> > > > > against other cars, so I can't attest to this myself. For those
of
> > you
> > > > > who have it, how good/bad is it?
> > > > > --
> > > > > Scott Lyman
> > > > > ICQ 88979227

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