rec.autos.simulators

> Yeah, they can be a little wimpy at times. But hey, I don't think the day
> will ever come anyone can program an ai to replicate actual human
behaviour.
> Until they can, then we'll always find weaknesses in the ai. That's why I
> love online racing.

> --
> Don Burnette
> D Burnette in N4

> Some people do nothing wrong.
> The problem is, they do nothing.
> And THAT is wrong.

> > Its ok but it seems like the AI let you away with way too much stuff,
they
> > try way too much to get outta your way. :(

> > > I have to disagree, imho. I have had hours of great fun with N4, both
> > online
> > > and offline. The key to online is finding good races, making friends,
> > > joining a league, etc. Offline is learning the ai behaviour and
dealing
> > with
> > > it. And now that the patch has been released, it is much better.

> > > --
> > > Don Burnette
> > > D Burnette in N4

> > > Some people do nothing wrong.
> > > The problem is, they do nothing.
> > > And THAT is wrong.

> > > > Horrible, worthless, waste of time.

> > > > Plus there is no save race feature, meaning you can't run a complete
> > race
> > > > unless you have 3 hours to sit in front of your PC - and even then
> there
> > > is
> > > > no way to save your place before the AI decides to kamikaze you into
> the
> > > > wall. Hell, you can't even pause and alt-tab back to the desktop for
a
> > > > moment without the screen freaking out.

> > > > Unless you plan on racing multiplayer, there is no racing in N4. And
> the
> > > > multiplayer is almost as bad as the AI in most cases. Occasionally
you
> > can
> > > > find a good race (no morons) on a good server, but rarely.

> > > > Like GPL, N4 is fun to drive, but that's about it. I think of it
more
> as
> > a
> > > > driving simulator than a racing simulator, and driving around in
> circles
> > > > gets old quick. If theuspits (Noonan) can do a 'Ring conversion then
> it
> > > > might be worth the space on the hard drive.

> > > > > In reading the user reviews from a few websites about the game, a
> > > > > complaint I see a lot is of horrible AI.  The demo doesn't let you
> > race
> > > > > against other cars, so I can't attest to this myself.  For those
of
> > you
> > > > > who have it, how good/bad is it?
> > > > > --
> > > > > Scott Lyman
> > > > > ICQ 88979227

> God forbid I say this... Nascar Heat has a helluva lot better AI. If N4
had
> NH's AI, it would be great. (People do buy the sim with intentions of
racing
> OFFLINE.) The online community is not the majority here, as some would
like
> to believe, it's just that the majority that buy the game don't know of
> r.a.s. or other newsgroups to voice thier concerns. There probably has
been
> a few hundred thousand N4 games sold already. Hmmm, I don't see that many
> online or in the newsgroups. I guess it's the old saying coming to
> mind..."The squeeky wheel gets the grease." I say this because most of the
> people here that look for a honest answer get barraged by the Papy
loyalists
> for even asking for fixes or adding things like a savegame feature. Their
> past products had it, why not this one? I think that N4 is a great sim but
> it still has bugs that need to be fixed. Even after this latest patch it
> still does have some issues, but the majority of the bugs were squashed.
If
> they fix these remaining issues the game will be better for most but not
> all. Remember that there are others that feel that the sim should have had
> more and others that would have been happy with just online racing and no
> AI. But the fact is, it does have offline racing and should be enjoyable
for
> those that choose to have it their way.

> > Yeah, they can be a little wimpy at times. But hey, I don't think the
day
> > will ever come anyone can program an ai to replicate actual human
> behaviour.
> > Until they can, then we'll always find weaknesses in the ai. That's why
I
> > love online racing.

> I didn't fine Heat's ai very realistic at all. I got nailed by them during
> yellows and going down pit road, almost every time. When they didn't fix
> that problem with the first patch was when I uninstalled it. I also found
it
> pretty unrealistic that I could plow through the ai and none of us wreck.
> For instance, squeeze between two cars where there isn't room, and shove
> them both aside.
> No matter, it appears that programming the ai with the 6dof physics is
> pretty complicated as both Heat and N4 have had problems with it. For me
> personally, I preferred N4's over Heat.

> --
> Don Burnette
> D Burnette in N4

> Some people do nothing wrong.
> The problem is, they do nothing.
> And THAT is wrong.

> > God forbid I say this... Nascar Heat has a helluva lot better AI. If N4
> had
> > NH's AI, it would be great. (People do buy the sim with intentions of
> racing
> > OFFLINE.) The online community is not the majority here, as some would
> like
> > to believe, it's just that the majority that buy the game don't know of
> > r.a.s. or other newsgroups to voice thier concerns. There probably has
> been
> > a few hundred thousand N4 games sold already. Hmmm, I don't see that
many
> > online or in the newsgroups. I guess it's the old saying coming to
> > mind..."The squeeky wheel gets the grease." I say this because most of
the
> > people here that look for a honest answer get barraged by the Papy
> loyalists
> > for even asking for fixes or adding things like a savegame feature.
Their
> > past products had it, why not this one? I think that N4 is a great sim
but
> > it still has bugs that need to be fixed. Even after this latest patch it
> > still does have some issues, but the majority of the bugs were squashed.
> If
> > they fix these remaining issues the game will be better for most but not
> > all. Remember that there are others that feel that the sim should have
had
> > more and others that would have been happy with just online racing and
no
> > AI. But the fact is, it does have offline racing and should be enjoyable
> for
> > those that choose to have it their way.

> > > Yeah, they can be a little wimpy at times. But hey, I don't think the
> day
> > > will ever come anyone can program an ai to replicate actual human
> > behaviour.
> > > Until they can, then we'll always find weaknesses in the ai. That's
why
> I
> > > love online racing.

> Did you try the second patch? I dont remember where I got it.

> > I didn't fine Heat's ai very realistic at all. I got nailed by them
during
> > yellows and going down pit road, almost every time. When they didn't fix
> > that problem with the first patch was when I uninstalled it. I also
found
> it
> > pretty unrealistic that I could plow through the ai and none of us
wreck.
> > For instance, squeeze between two cars where there isn't room, and shove
> > them both aside.
> > No matter, it appears that programming the ai with the 6dof physics is
> > pretty complicated as both Heat and N4 have had problems with it. For me
> > personally, I preferred N4's over Heat.

> > --
> > Don Burnette
> > D Burnette in N4

> > Some people do nothing wrong.
> > The problem is, they do nothing.
> > And THAT is wrong.

> > > God forbid I say this... Nascar Heat has a helluva lot better AI. If
N4
> > had
> > > NH's AI, it would be great. (People do buy the sim with intentions of
> > racing
> > > OFFLINE.) The online community is not the majority here, as some would
> > like
> > > to believe, it's just that the majority that buy the game don't know
of
> > > r.a.s. or other newsgroups to voice thier concerns. There probably has
> > been
> > > a few hundred thousand N4 games sold already. Hmmm, I don't see that
> many
> > > online or in the newsgroups. I guess it's the old saying coming to
> > > mind..."The squeeky wheel gets the grease." I say this because most of
> the
> > > people here that look for a honest answer get barraged by the Papy
> > loyalists
> > > for even asking for fixes or adding things like a savegame feature.
> Their
> > > past products had it, why not this one? I think that N4 is a great sim
> but
> > > it still has bugs that need to be fixed. Even after this latest patch
it
> > > still does have some issues, but the majority of the bugs were
squashed.

> > If
> > > they fix these remaining issues the game will be better for most but
not
> > > all. Remember that there are others that feel that the sim should have
> had
> > > more and others that would have been happy with just online racing and
> no
> > > AI. But the fact is, it does have offline racing and should be
enjoyable
> > for
> > > those that choose to have it their way.

> > > > Yeah, they can be a little wimpy at times. But hey, I don't think
the
> > day
> > > > will ever come anyone can program an ai to replicate actual human
> > > behaviour.
> > > > Until they can, then we'll always find weaknesses in the ai. That's
> why
> > I
> > > > love online racing.

> Thought the supposed 2nd patch wasn't out yet?

> --
> Don Burnette
> D Burnette in N4

> Some people do nothing wrong.
> The problem is, they do nothing.
> And THAT is wrong.

> > Did you try the second patch? I dont remember where I got it.

> > > I didn't fine Heat's ai very realistic at all. I got nailed by them
> during
> > > yellows and going down pit road, almost every time. When they didn't
fix
> > > that problem with the first patch was when I uninstalled it. I also
> found
> > it
> > > pretty unrealistic that I could plow through the ai and none of us
> wreck.
> > > For instance, squeeze between two cars where there isn't room, and
shove
> > > them both aside.
> > > No matter, it appears that programming the ai with the 6dof physics is
> > > pretty complicated as both Heat and N4 have had problems with it. For
me
> > > personally, I preferred N4's over Heat.

> > > --
> > > Don Burnette
> > > D Burnette in N4

> > > Some people do nothing wrong.
> > > The problem is, they do nothing.
> > > And THAT is wrong.

> > > > God forbid I say this... Nascar Heat has a helluva lot better AI. If
> N4
> > > had
> > > > NH's AI, it would be great. (People do buy the sim with intentions
of
> > > racing
> > > > OFFLINE.) The online community is not the majority here, as some
would
> > > like
> > > > to believe, it's just that the majority that buy the game don't know
> of
> > > > r.a.s. or other newsgroups to voice thier concerns. There probably
has
> > > been
> > > > a few hundred thousand N4 games sold already. Hmmm, I don't see that
> > many
> > > > online or in the newsgroups. I guess it's the old saying coming to
> > > > mind..."The squeeky wheel gets the grease." I say this because most
of
> > the
> > > > people here that look for a honest answer get barraged by the Papy
> > > loyalists
> > > > for even asking for fixes or adding things like a savegame feature.
> > Their
> > > > past products had it, why not this one? I think that N4 is a great
sim
> > but
> > > > it still has bugs that need to be fixed. Even after this latest
patch
> it
> > > > still does have some issues, but the majority of the bugs were
> squashed.

> > > If
> > > > they fix these remaining issues the game will be better for most but
> not
> > > > all. Remember that there are others that feel that the sim should
have
> > had
> > > > more and others that would have been happy with just online racing
and
> > no
> > > > AI. But the fact is, it does have offline racing and should be
> enjoyable
> > > for
> > > > those that choose to have it their way.

> > > > > Yeah, they can be a little wimpy at times. But hey, I don't think
> the
> > > day
> > > > > will ever come anyone can program an ai to replicate actual human
> > > > behaviour.
> > > > > Until they can, then we'll always find weaknesses in the ai.
That's
> > why
> > > I
> > > > > love online racing.

>   It's been out in beta form for about a MONTH!!!  where have you been
> Donnie boy?
> :)
>   actually the AI behave MUCH better now in NH.  What they are working on
is
> still some
> improvements AND they are adding menu items that allow patches to
seemlessly
> be swapped or chosen
> from within the game, like it's done on Half-life.
> dave henrie

> > Thought the supposed 2nd patch wasn't out yet?

> > --
> > Don Burnette
> > D Burnette in N4

> > Some people do nothing wrong.
> > The problem is, they do nothing.
> > And THAT is wrong.

> > > Did you try the second patch? I dont remember where I got it.

> > > > I didn't fine Heat's ai very realistic at all. I got nailed by them
> > during
> > > > yellows and going down pit road, almost every time. When they didn't
> fix
> > > > that problem with the first patch was when I uninstalled it. I also
> > found
> > > it
> > > > pretty unrealistic that I could plow through the ai and none of us
> > wreck.
> > > > For instance, squeeze between two cars where there isn't room, and
> shove
> > > > them both aside.
> > > > No matter, it appears that programming the ai with the 6dof physics
is
> > > > pretty complicated as both Heat and N4 have had problems with it.
For
> me
> > > > personally, I preferred N4's over Heat.

> > > > --
> > > > Don Burnette
> > > > D Burnette in N4

> > > > Some people do nothing wrong.
> > > > The problem is, they do nothing.
> > > > And THAT is wrong.

> > > > > God forbid I say this... Nascar Heat has a helluva lot better AI.
If
> > N4
> > > > had
> > > > > NH's AI, it would be great. (People do buy the sim with intentions
> of
> > > > racing
> > > > > OFFLINE.) The online community is not the majority here, as some
> would
> > > > like
> > > > > to believe, it's just that the majority that buy the game don't
know
> > of
> > > > > r.a.s. or other newsgroups to voice thier concerns. There probably
> has
> > > > been
> > > > > a few hundred thousand N4 games sold already. Hmmm, I don't see
that
> > > many
> > > > > online or in the newsgroups. I guess it's the old saying coming to
> > > > > mind..."The squeeky wheel gets the grease." I say this because
most
> of
> > > the
> > > > > people here that look for a honest answer get barraged by the Papy
> > > > loyalists
> > > > > for even asking for fixes or adding things like a savegame
feature.
> > > Their
> > > > > past products had it, why not this one? I think that N4 is a great
> sim
> > > but
> > > > > it still has bugs that need to be fixed. Even after this latest
> patch
> > it
> > > > > still does have some issues, but the majority of the bugs were
> > squashed.

> > > > If
> > > > > they fix these remaining issues the game will be better for most
but
> > not
> > > > > all. Remember that there are others that feel that the sim should
> have
> > > had
> > > > > more and others that would have been happy with just online racing
> and
> > > no
> > > > > AI. But the fact is, it does have offline racing and should be
> > enjoyable
> > > > for
> > > > > those that choose to have it their way.

> > > > > > Yeah, they can be a little wimpy at times. But hey, I don't
think
> > the
> > > > day
> > > > > > will ever come anyone can program an ai to replicate actual
human
> > > > > behaviour.
> > > > > > Until they can, then we'll always find weaknesses in the ai.
> That's
> > > why
> > > > I
> > > > > > love online racing.

>Wouldn't it be cool if they programmed it th LEARN from what WE do on the
>track ?

> What video card? With my V5 in D3D the screen gets trashed so bad it's
> hard to find the exit.

> > Alt-tab works for me.

> It worked with my V5 but now with the patch, Alt-Tab no longer works!!  :(

> > What video card? With my V5 in D3D the screen gets trashed so bad it's
> > hard to find the exit.

> > > Alt-tab works for me.