rec.autos.simulators

by **Huh?** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on yet another racing sim.

DTR = 2 1/2 stars.

Heres some snippets:

"This is the only offering so far to replicate a popular, yet
not widely known, form of racing in the U.S., with over 700 tracks
across the country .."

Bob-ster, uhhh.. how in the hell can real-life dirt racing be
'popular', yet 'not widely known'.

Huh? Help us out with this..

"Unfortunately, the courses seem all too similar as you drive on
them; I am sorely tempted to say, "If you've seen one looped dirt
track, you've seen 'em all.""

So I guess it really comes as a shock to this weenie that the most
popular forms of racing in the US of F***ING A are done on
OVALS!!

Is this guy fer real?

"Additionally, the vehicle models are all fictional--there are no
licensed brands--and they show none of the creative inspiration
demonstrated in other computer-created automobiles, such as
those in Ubi Soft's Speed Busters."

Well, now there's something to ponder. Bob 'The Intimidator'
Mandel sez that DTR would be better if it used SPEED BUSTERS
style cars!!

I'm gasping for breath here, folks ..

"From an aesthetic standpoint, the visuals are downright unsightly."

YAH, Bobby, I give the graphics maybe 9 out of 10 stars.
They suck so bad. Too damned realistic. I want chrome, baby!!
And some of those pink Speed Busters cars would ROOL!!

sp33d bust3rs ownz j00..

"The play screen is quite easy to read and nicely laid out. I
especially appreciate the presence of a standard rear view mirror,
which is often oddly missing in racing titles."

BWAHAHAHA... PLAY SCREEN.. ???

I'm losing control here.

"One of the main problems is boredom; driving around an oval track
12 times with nothing outside worth looking at can get mighty
tedious, especially if you are far in the lead or way behind."

And we can guess which end of the line you were on, Bob.

Yah, the scenery suX0rs, dud3. Maybe they coulda, shoulda had
these babies at that Monaco track. There's lotsa scenery there,
whooo boy. And those french babes make my pecker stiff

I GA-RON-TEE..

Hey, they coulda had a Monaco.Mudslide and then it woulda
worked. Lousy Aussie developer missed a big chance here.

"The speed of the racing is considerably slower than I am used to,
due in large part to the unpaved road surface;"

Yah, since you have never driven a real CAR from a real PLAY SCREEN,
I think we can understand what you're saying here.

"While racing, the sounds of the engine and the occasional collision
are pretty much all you hear."

SHIT! I wanted Alyssa Milano dripping those honey-drop words of
love on.. in my err.. ear.. while I was whuppin' up on the wimpy AI.

Those lamers at Ratbag, WTF were they thinking..

Whew..

Hey y'all, just go read it for yourself. This clueless reviewer
has done this before with several other sims. He is a detriment
to our hobby, in my opinion. Time for a few ***-grams (again).

I'm outta here.

by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Actually, I agree with Bob....

It's popular in the US, but not in the rest of the world.
That makes it popular, yet not widely known.

The ovals in Nascar 3 are very different from each other. Very
different types of corners on each track. The corners thus the tracks
in DTR are allmost all the same. In N3, I can tell which track I'm on
after a drove one lap on it. If you give me ten tracks from DTR, I
can't tell you which tracks I drove on, because they do look the same
to me.

He is.

I think he means that the cars in DTR look very dull. And they do. The
cars from Speedbusters look beautifull, they paid very much attention
to car details. He isn't talking about car behaviour here!

The graphics in DTR look dull, which very little scenery.

You know what he means.

Indeed, I find DTR a very boring game too. Dull graphics, dull
gameplay, dull tracks. A lot of people seem to have fun with DTR,
great, but I find driving circle after circle on a dirtrack plain
boring. And I love Nascar 3, so it isn't because I find ovals boring.
It's the oval tracks in DTR that are boring. (Whew, another 22-second
lap!)

Indeed. No feeling of racing, no feeling of gaining speed, due to the
really crappy engine sounds.

I think Bob is just being honest. He doesn't like DTR for a couple of
good reasons. You can agree or disagree with him, or with me, but
there's no need to trash his review like this.
IMHO it's a good and honest review.

Andre

by **Ron Ayto** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I do too Andre...
I personally think DTR is dull, and very samey from track to track,
with poor graphics and even poorer physics..
The sense of speed is non-existant and it never feels as though i have
a direct controllable link to the steering input.
The revs, verses the engine sound to gear change times, relay nothing
to the user at all.
The cars handle like speedboats/hovercrafts and sound like
malfunctioning sewing machines on steroids.
This is my opinion only and if others like it, well and good, but for
me, i cannot see what all the hype is about with this game.

Cheers,
Ron

by **Pete** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Here is this whiz bang reviewers bio! Look at his favourite
racing games! :-) What a joke! Obviously, his ego matches his
reviewing skills! Howie Mandel's brother, what a couple of clowns!

Pete

CT

Staff Writer
Daily tasks:
Playing Games, Evaluating Games, Being a Gamester

Age:
3

Acts:
0

Location:
Portland, Oregon

First game:
My own version of Tic-Tac-Toe, which could beat or tie any human using 10
lines of code

Likes:
arcade shooters, pinball, arcade racing, and puzzle games (both
action-puzzle and adventure-puzzle varieties)

Current Faves:
Dethkarz, Motorhead, Recoil, Descent 3, Slave Zero, Nerf ArenaBlast

Interested to see:
MDK2

Fondest *** Memories:
Writing over 20 of my own computer games

Spare Time:
Enjoying my family

Other:
Chairing a college department, teaching, having five books published

Cool:
I love undersea and pirate adventure.

Hates:
Gratuitous sex and ***

System Specs:
a 400 megahertz Pentium II with 128 megs of RAM, a 16.8 gigabyte hard drive,
a DVD drive, a 21-inch Sony Trinitron monitor, a Xitel Platinum Storm sound
card, a Riva TNT 2D/3D video card, and a Voodoo2 accelerator card.

Pseudo .plan:
An endless stream of *** articles

by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

He enjoys arcade racing games, so what? That doesn't mean that he
doesn't know what a real sim should be like.

Andre

> Here is this whiz bang reviewers bio! Look at his favourite
>racing games! :-) What a joke! Obviously, his ego matches his
>reviewing skills! Howie Mandel's brother, what a couple of clowns!

> Pete

>CT

>Staff Writer
>Daily tasks:
>Playing Games, Evaluating Games, Being a Gamester

>Age:
>3

>Acts:
>0

>Location:
>Portland, Oregon

>First game:
>My own version of Tic-Tac-Toe, which could beat or tie any human using 10
>lines of code

>Likes:
>arcade shooters, pinball, arcade racing, and puzzle games (both
>action-puzzle and adventure-puzzle varieties)

>Current Faves:
>Dethkarz, Motorhead, Recoil, Descent 3, Slave Zero, Nerf ArenaBlast

>Interested to see:
>MDK2

>Fondest *** Memories:
>Writing over 20 of my own computer games

>Spare Time:
>Enjoying my family

>Other:
>Chairing a college department, teaching, having five books published

>Cool:
>I love undersea and pirate adventure.

>Hates:
>Gratuitous sex and ***

>System Specs:
>a 400 megahertz Pentium II with 128 megs of RAM, a 16.8 gigabyte hard drive,
>a DVD drive, a 21-inch Sony Trinitron monitor, a Xitel Platinum Storm sound
>card, a Riva TNT 2D/3D video card, and a Voodoo2 accelerator card.

>Pseudo .plan:
>An endless stream of *** articles

>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on yet another racing sim.

>> DTR = 2 1/2 stars.

>> Heres some snippets:

>> "This is the only offering so far to replicate a popular, yet
>> not widely known, form of racing in the U.S., with over 700 tracks
>> across the country .."

>> Bob-ster, uhhh.. how in the hell can real-life dirt racing be
>> 'popular', yet 'not widely known'.

>> Huh? Help us out with this..

>> "Unfortunately, the courses seem all too similar as you drive on
>> them; I am sorely tempted to say, "If you've seen one looped dirt
>> track, you've seen 'em all.""

>> So I guess it really comes as a shock to this weenie that the most
>> popular forms of racing in the US of F***ING A are done on
>> OVALS!!

>> Is this guy fer real?

>> "Additionally, the vehicle models are all fictional--there are no
>> licensed brands--and they show none of the creative inspiration
>> demonstrated in other computer-created automobiles, such as
>> those in Ubi Soft's Speed Busters."

>> Well, now there's something to ponder. Bob 'The Intimidator'
>> Mandel sez that DTR would be better if it used SPEED BUSTERS
>> style cars!!

>> I'm gasping for breath here, folks ..

>> "From an aesthetic standpoint, the visuals are downright unsightly."

>> YAH, Bobby, I give the graphics maybe 9 out of 10 stars.
>> They suck so bad. Too damned realistic. I want chrome, baby!!
>> And some of those pink Speed Busters cars would ROOL!!

>> sp33d bust3rs ownz j00..

>> "The play screen is quite easy to read and nicely laid out. I
>> especially appreciate the presence of a standard rear view mirror,
>> which is often oddly missing in racing titles."

>> BWAHAHAHA... PLAY SCREEN.. ???

>> I'm losing control here.

>> "One of the main problems is boredom; driving around an oval track
>> 12 times with nothing outside worth looking at can get mighty
>> tedious, especially if you are far in the lead or way behind."

>> And we can guess which end of the line you were on, Bob.

>> Yah, the scenery suX0rs, dud3. Maybe they coulda, shoulda had
>> these babies at that Monaco track. There's lotsa scenery there,
>> whooo boy. And those french babes make my pecker stiff

>> I GA-RON-TEE..

>> Hey, they coulda had a Monaco.Mudslide and then it woulda
>> worked. Lousy Aussie developer missed a big chance here.

>> "The speed of the racing is considerably slower than I am used to,
>> due in large part to the unpaved road surface;"

>> Yah, since you have never driven a real CAR from a real PLAY SCREEN,
>> I think we can understand what you're saying here.

>> "While racing, the sounds of the engine and the occasional collision
>> are pretty much all you hear."

>> SHIT! I wanted Alyssa Milano dripping those honey-drop words of
>> love on.. in my err.. ear.. while I was whuppin' up on the wimpy AI.

>> Those lamers at Ratbag, WTF were they thinking..

>> Whew..

>> Hey y'all, just go read it for yourself. This clueless reviewer
>> has done this before with several other sims. He is a detriment
>> to our hobby, in my opinion. Time for a few ***-grams (again).

>> I'm outta here.

by **Pete** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Its obvious in reading his reviews he knows little or nothing
about real life racing or what physics are involved in Dirt Track
Racing. After reading Dale Earnhardts interview on the game and
talking with dozens of real life racers it seems that he is using an
arcade mentality in his viewpoint. Does, this mean that because
you agree with him that this is your source of reference as well?
Or perhaps, you and Howie Mandrel are much more versed in
whats real and what isn't!
As far as graphics go its no NFS4, Dethkarz or Motorhead!
But we are talking about racing in dirt! Cars aren't spit and polish
show cars but maybe that has escaped you!
He says the courses are all similiar! Gee, he must have tried
just 1 of them then. Setups are different for me at every track
and you can use crossovers with flat tracks, medium banking and
high banked but even then they are different.
He keeps comparing the game to arcade games ie. Speed Busters
what would this imply on his and your points of view?
The only sounds you hear are the engine and the ocassional banging
of cars. Hilarious! All the racers I know have Opera playing on their
entertainment centers in their race cars! What crap! And you endorse
this review? Pretty sad bud!
I could go on but I think you get the point. I don't dislike arcade
games
and have all the ones mentioned above but I certainly don't use them
to reference sims.
To use his frame of reference Speed Busters beats out GPL for the
best sim!
You may not like a game because of personal choice but to endorse a
poorly reviewed piece of work is sad.

Pete

> He enjoys arcade racing games, so what? That doesn't mean that he
> doesn't know what a real sim should be like.

> Andre

> > Here is this whiz bang reviewers bio! Look at his favourite
> >racing games! :-) What a joke! Obviously, his ego matches his
> >reviewing skills! Howie Mandel's brother, what a couple of clowns!

> > Pete

by **Mike Grand** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when writing reviews you should
use facts and be unbiased. I personally find it very good and exiting in the
multiplayer mode. I never was one for racing AI, it's much more fun racing
real people.

by **Pete** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Don, I'm not sure of this endor***t. I would rather take Ron, Andre
and Howies(Bob) point of view into consideration first. After all they are in
agreement on the piece and what would Dale know.

Pete

I have just one response to this. If NASCAR 3 and DTR is good
enough for Dale Jr., Its good enough for me. He states it like the
real thing and hardly different. Now for those reviewers that dont know
Dale Jr. Earnhardt. He drives in NASCAR. But we are gonna make
it better.

Don Wilshe

PCSD: What is your favorite game right now?

Dale Earnhardt Jr: I would say it is a toss up between Nascar 3 and Dirt Track Racing. The makers of each game have done a fantastic job on reality. Very close to the real thing for me. What Papyrus and Sierra has done with their Nascar based games is incredible. I know that some of you were looking for more improvements from game to game. The thing is, I feel fortunate to play them each time I do. The add-ons found on the internet such as cars, tracks, and other utilities continue to make a great game even better. Myself and my fellow racers in Busch and Winston Cup become more fascinated each game. To drive the real thing and then play the computer game is hardly different. The only thing I believe we need is a force feedback seat!
--
Donald Wilshe, Tampa, Florida 813 641-2572

Automotive Services: Marketing, Sales, ***, Support, E-Commerce

Games-Advertising www.games-advertising.com
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by **Jalo** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

All of the courses are similiar compared to GPL, SCGT, and MGPRS2.
He should have compared it to Nascar 3 (or even Nascar Revolution for that
matter), at least the frame of reference would have been somewhat correct
(American oval racing). I'm not sure why he compared it to Speed Busters.

by **Jalo** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I have to agree with Bob also.

by **Peter Nilss** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I agree with Bob's review too.
DTR bored me to tears after a mere thousand laps or so. The only
exciting thing in single player was when new sponsors popped up. :-)
A pity, considering Powerslide was so much fun and would have lasted
much longer had it only had more tracks. I can't imagine anyone
screaming for more tracks for DTR?

/petern

>Actually, I agree with Bob....

>>http://avault.com/reviews/review_temp.asp?game=dirttr

>>Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on yet another racing sim.

SNIP

by **Ron Ayto** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Don, I'm not sure of this endor***t. I would rather take Ron,
Andre
and Howies(Bob) point of view into consideration first. After all they
are in
agreement on the piece and what would Dale know.

Pete
-------------------------------

Point of view/consideration, being the key words here Pete...
We are also entitled to our opinion, and that is all it is, "our
opinion"

Just because Dale reckons he likes it, does that make it accurate. ?
Off hand, i can think of racing drivers giving similiar endorcements to
every racing sim that has come on the market, does that make them feel
real too ??
Just because we are not named, "Dale" does that mean we automatically
do not know how a car handles and feels on a dirt track or a saloon car
on a NASCAR oval, for that matter.?
There are a lot of people in this news group, that DO have real life
experience in DTR, NASCAR, Formula V, Formula Ford etc etc, so just
because we don't all brag about it on this news group, don't think we
are all as ignorant of a car's handling and physics as you obviously
are.

I stated my opinion on DTR, and i DO know how a DTR car feels...
If you think the feeling and controllability of DTR is even close to a
saloon car on a dirt oval surface, then you have never driven a car on
a dirt surface, or driven a car full stop...
The steering input is floaty and totally detached from what the car is
actually doing on the screen.
Mind you, i think DTR does do an admirable job of replicating a
Hovercraft..

Cheers,
Ron

by **Pete** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

And its obvious you don't know how to configure a pc
to run a game properly if you compare this to a Hovercraft
because I spent a fair bit of time in a Hovercraft and it handles
nothing like this game.
We have a huge number of real life racers included in
our beta group and they don't have the same opinion as
you do either but then again with all the Dirt Track racing
you have done and your running of the Nascar Circuit does
give you a huge advantage over Dale. Its nice see you can
comment on my driving experience and you don't even know me.
Could it be that your psychic ability exceeds your driving
knowledge. If so it is limited on both counts!
As far being ignorant you are an expert in that field so I will
let you comment on your obvious talents.
Good job arcade breath!

Pete

> Don, I'm not sure of this endor***t. I would rather take Ron,
> Andre
> and Howies(Bob) point of view into consideration first. After all they
> are in
> agreement on the piece and what would Dale know.

> Pete
> -------------------------------

> Point of view/consideration, being the key words here Pete...
> We are also entitled to our opinion, and that is all it is, "our
> opinion"

> Just because Dale reckons he likes it, does that make it accurate. ?
> Off hand, i can think of racing drivers giving similiar endorcements to
> every racing sim that has come on the market, does that make them feel
> real too ??
> Just because we are not named, "Dale" does that mean we automatically
> do not know how a car handles and feels on a dirt track or a saloon car
> on a NASCAR oval, for that matter.?
> There are a lot of people in this news group, that DO have real life
> experience in DTR, NASCAR, Formula V, Formula Ford etc etc, so just
> because we don't all brag about it on this news group, don't think we
> are all as ignorant of a car's handling and physics as you obviously
> are.

> I stated my opinion on DTR, and i DO know how a DTR car feels...
> If you think the feeling and controllability of DTR is even close to a
> saloon car on a dirt oval surface, then you have never driven a car on
> a dirt surface, or driven a car full stop...
> The steering input is floaty and totally detached from what the car is
> actually doing on the screen.
> Mind you, i think DTR does do an admirable job of replicating a
> Hovercraft..

> Cheers,
> Ron

by **Ron Ayto** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

As usual, it seems your lack of maturity and real world driving ability
rules your mind...
I didn't flame you, but it is obvious who is the little child here,
Petey..
It's little boys like you that need to be told by their real world
heros, how a car should drive etc..
Stick to your tiddlywink set Petey, it suits your skills more.

Ron

rec.autos.simulators

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.

Bob Mandel at AVAULT shits on another racing sim.