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More down force with wing adjustments maybe?

I d/l'd the "Hall of Fame" list and the set ups there suggest--and this
works--that higher downforce is nec. for the front wings. Some of the times
are really fast, and they often use front wing settings of 60-64.

Hope this helps.

Bob P

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Well, everybody is different.  If you have your wings split too far apart
the car will snap into oversteer.  That is not a good thing.  You'll have
to find that fine line between snapping into oversteer and being able to
keep the back end following the front.

: And don't apply the gas in a corner.

I'll have to disagree with this.  Some corners are meant to be
accelerated through.  

Take Parabolioca at Monza.  I always brake heavy BEFORE the curve, let off
the brakes before the turn in and slam the gas to the floor just before
the apex.  Repsol in Spain is taken the same way.

The hairpins at Phoenix, Portugal and Japan are taken with the gas to
the floor.  It helps whip around the back end (even with Traction Help)
to get around there quicker.

Etc, etc

If you can't do the above, then you don't have enough wing.  ;)

I disagree with this. Usually, you have to break once, stear once and then
apply the gas once to take the corner without loosing time. Again, speaking
in general.

Maybe it's because I'm using keyboard, then...

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GD> >Take Parabolioca at Monza.  I always brake heavy BEFORE the curve,
GD> let off >the brakes before the turn in and slam the gas to the floor
GD> just before >the apex.  Repsol in Spain is taken the same way.

GD> Personally, I find the best way to take tight corners is to errr..
GD> 'pulse' the accelerator on and off quickly.

To widen the discussion here.....

Is there an FAQ or something similar as a guide to how to drive the
circuits fast......for ICR as well perhaps? If not, could we create one?
I'm thinking of something along the lines of the "My lap of......" in
Autosport - but since we all can drive there, see the same markers, etc,
it can be much more detailed.

There are some awsomely quick (for me anyhow! B-> ) laps posted. I'd be
interested in some discussion on how these are achieved......what's your
car setup, and how do you take a particular corner (in terms of what
gear, what revs, what entry speed, what breaking point, what line, when
does the power come on, do you use/avoid the curb, etc). And overtaking
manouvres - where and how - would be interesting.

I can't claim any great skill or achievements to get the ball rolling -
would any of those FAST people (or the young pretenders) like to comment
..... how do YOU do it?

Cheers!

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: GD> >Take Parabolioca at Monza.  I always brake heavy BEFORE the curve,
: GD> let off >the brakes before the turn in and slam the gas to the floor
: GD> just before >the apex.  Repsol in Spain is taken the same way.

: GD> Personally, I find the best way to take tight corners is to errr..
: GD> 'pulse' the accelerator on and off quickly.

: To widen the discussion here.....

: Is there an FAQ or something similar as a guide to how to drive the
: circuits fast......for ICR as well perhaps? If not, could we create one?
: I'm thinking of something along the lines of the "My lap of......" in
: Autosport - but since we all can drive there, see the same markers, etc,
: it can be much more detailed.

: There are some awsomely quick (for me anyhow! B-> ) laps posted. I'd be
: interested in some discussion on how these are achieved......what's your
: car setup, and how do you take a particular corner (in terms of what
: gear, what revs, what entry speed, what breaking point, what line, when
: does the power come on, do you use/avoid the curb, etc). And overtaking
: manouvres - where and how - would be interesting.

: I can't claim any great skill or achievements to get the ball rolling -
: would any of those FAST people (or the young pretenders) like to comment
: ..... how do YOU do it?

: Cheers!

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 Nice idea. I am kind of baffled by some of the lap times posted in the
Hall of Fames - even with the setups shown I am 3 or 4 seconds slower than
the fastest times, and I cant see how to gain significantly more (maybe
a second or so, but four....?)
 I wouldn't think of myself as that bad a driver, as I can wipe the floor
with everyone at pro level, but I am still quite a way behind the cutting
 edge laps here. How about some tips, or a FAQ, guys.          
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It's one of the greatest pleasures in playing the game to find it out
yourself. Besides, everyone has his own technique, and thus also different
setups. It also depends on the track how you drive. And further, the main
secret in driving fast laps is a lot of practise! :)

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Interestingly, telemetry from Senna race cars showed that he would do
this on the way out of a corner (before the days of traction control).
I've seen a comparison between Martin Brundle coming out of the same
corner as Senna - Brundle applied steadily increasing pressure on the
loud pedal as he came out of the corner - Senna pulsed it on the way out,
obviously taking the car to the max ends of the envelope - This gained
him HALF A SECOND in ONE CORNER . Wow.

I also agree with  RitchiBW - I thought I was fast - wiping the floor
with the computer bods - but I'm 3-4 seconds down on the times. Is there
some corner cutting going on here - or are they unrepeatable one lap
flyers with a virtually undriveable car ?

Neal Rayner.

..... how do YOU do it?>>

I always got my fastest time when my frame rate was set really high. It's
like driving in slow motion.
king

If anyone wants to write one or more track guides for F1GP/WC tracks
I'll be more than happy to include them in either the FAQ or Hall Of
Fame. Doug Reichley has also sent me his GPperf data for Imola; if any
of the other really fast drivers want to send that data I could
probably find a way to make it available.

[...]

F1GP/WC setups can be gleaned from the Hall Of Fame, posted here every
two weeks (the news system seems to have lost it this week, hmm) and
from the WWW at http://brains.cc.rl.ac.uk/https/hof/wcpchof.html.

Chisa
-- Gizmo van der HOF
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Well, I'll describe how I drive Adelaide.
Disclaimers of course that this isn't necessarily the absolute best
method (since I just knocked it together in an hour or so), but I doubt
that it'll be too far off.    I wont write the lap times, since my version
of the game has been modified.  I'm fairly sure I only changed the drivers
skill levels, but I'm not completely certain.
Note also that this is put together on the Amiga version (I cant run a text
editor at the same time on the PC ), but this technique compares well
with the PC version of the game on my desk at work.

Wing Settings:   55 front, 43 rear.
Gearbox:  24, 31, 38, 45, 52, 59.

Screaming down the start finish straight, you should be about to change into 5th
as you cross the line.    Move over to the right hand side of the track in
readiness for the chicane.   Here is where you collide with cars coming
out of the pits.  
The chicane is tricky - I brake momentarily and drop to third for the left
turn part, then change into 4th while doing the right hand turn. I'm only
in 3rd gear for a fraction of a second, and I've contemplated doing the
whole thing in 4th, but the revs would be too low.
(I've noticed that on the PC version, touching the right side rumble strip as
 you exit the chicane is fairly safe, while it is fatal on the Amiga version.)

After the chicane it's a simple left turn going into Wakefield road.

Move towards the left for the braking point, which for me is when the 100m
mark is level with the rear tyres of the car (or it would be if I could see it).
The right turn is done in 2nd gear, pulsing the throttle, keeping the revs at
the middle of the tacho (about 11,000), then accelerating once you are most of
the way through the turn, into 3rd - moving to the right in readiness for the
left turn.   You are only in 3rd momentarily before braking (and you should be
all the way over to the right by now) and into 1st gear.
The left turn has less grip, so its 1st gear, but with high revs again pulsing
the throttle to keep the revs up around 13,000, until you are able to keep the
throttle down without going off, as you exit the turn.

Move all the way over to the left in readiness for the right hander.
As you do this, you'll get to 2nd gear with high revs.
The braking point is rather early, before the -> sign, where you tap the brake
momentarily to bring the speed down a touch (11,000) and pulse the throttle to
keep the revs up during this right hander.   Needless to say, you get on the
power as soon as possible to exit.

Move to the right side of the track.

The east terrace quick left/right is taken flat out.   Be very careful not
to let your right tyres hit the rumble strip, the car is quite unbalanced here
and that offputting bump will send you off the road.
Immediatly you are having to brake for the 2nd gear right hander leading onto
Jones straight.  (Used to be Stag corner before they closed the pub.)
The braking point for the corner is about 1 metre before the rumble strip on
your left.   Down into 2nd gear, trailbraking slightly into the corner, I get
down to about 11,000 revs and keep them there pulsing the throttle.

Flat down Jones straight, right bend onto the long Brabham straight, flat out
all the way.   The dash says I reach 189mph at the braking point - 150metres
before the hairpin.   (ie: halfway between the 100 and 200 metre boards).
I tend to brake in a straight line, only turning in when I'm down to 2nd.

First gear right hairpin, my car suffers from push (low speed understeer) at
this corner, as did heaps of F1 drivers at the last grand prix, judging by what
I heard over the scanner.    I'm not happy about this corner and find I have
to take it slower than I'd really like.   Only about 8000 revs in first
gear.   At the exit, aim for the left hand side of the road - I cant see
any point in reducing the turning circle even if it looks like you might exit
the turn in the middle of the road.

Hug the left side of the road after the hairpin, this will throw you off to the
right side of the road after the little left-kink turn, where you turn left a
little, then brake hard for the 2nd gear left hander 90 degree bend.
Enter it at about 9,000 or so revs, accelerating through it all the way.

You are now in Victoria Park (horse) race course, where you take a left-kink
then a right kink where the pit entrance is. (flat out all the way, of course)

Braking point for the last hairpin is when the rumble strip on the left side
of the road has come up to meet your front wing.    You are of course on the
left side of the road.   This hairpin is taken with the revs kept at about
10,000.    Be sure to not touch the rumble strip on the inside of the
corner, since this will send you straight on.  Recoverable, but it wastes
time.
Accelerate out from here to complete another lap.

The revs during each corner are variable with the kind of tyres you use, and
how worn they are - adjust accordingly.      
If 10,000 revs works, try 11,000.   Tyre screeching sounds are a measure of
grip, so I guess the idea would be to go as fast as you can through the corner
such that you _just_ hear a bit of tyre screeching.

Anyone with a quicker way, modify the above text, please.