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Manual Protection in "World Circuits" (MicroProse)

cosc19

Manual Protection in "World Circuits" (MicroProse)

by cosc19 » Mon, 20 Dec 1993 15:56:17

I just bought the renowned "World Circuit" from MicroProse, and
its copy protection is quite bothering me.
It requires me to type a word in a line in a paragraph in a page,
everytime I start the game.  According to its manual,
they had to use this scheme to protect the illegal copies.
But I do not think that it is quite right to annoy innocent people
from which they get money.

I have purchased about 20 games, but this MicroProse product is quite
obnoxiously irritating.  In case of SimEarth, it asked only when I
started the game for the first time after I installed it, which is
reasonable.

I am returning this idiotic software to Best Buys.
I will not buy any product from MicroProse either.
What an obnoxious software company.

Another thing is, how come this World Circuit, which is known as
a good driving simulator in PC, is much worse than  
more than 10-year old "Pole Position" (I think that this game is
12 years old) in game rooms ?
Better to spend quarters from time to time in game room and
enjoy quality auto simulators/games.
This World Circuit is not worth while to waste one's valuable time.

If you know any products which uses this "manual protection",
please let me know - so that I never buy them.

Ferguson Steph

Manual Protection in "World Circuits" (MicroProse)

by Ferguson Steph » Tue, 21 Dec 1993 02:45:03

|> I just bought the renowned "World Circuit" from MicroProse, and
|> its copy protection is quite bothering me.
|> It requires me to type a word in a line in a paragraph in a page,
|> everytime I start the game.  According to its manual,
|> they had to use this scheme to protect the illegal copies.
|> But I do not think that it is quite right to annoy innocent people
|> from which they get money.
|>

Personally, I find this to be a rather unobtrusive copy-protection scheme.
Until EVERYTHING is on CD-ROM you have to give the software developpers a
break.  If I spent the amount of time and money it takes these days to
develop a top-notch program, I would probably try to do something to
discourage pirating, and manual lookups are a lot better than copy-protected
disks.  Also, there is a well known crack for WC that bypasses the
manual lookup.  If you think manual lookup is a pain, try using a big-buck
package (ie. ANSYS finite element analysis) that requires a hardware key to
run and that key is on someone else's PC at the other end of the building.

|> Another thing is, how come this World Circuit, which is known as
|> a good driving simulator in PC, is much worse than  
|> more than 10-year old "Pole Position" (I think that this game is
|> 12 years old) in game rooms ?
|> Better to spend quarters from time to time in game room and
|> enjoy quality auto simulators/games.
|> This World Circuit is not worth while to waste one's valuable time.

World Citcuit: first-person visual perspective, highly accurate depiction
of six*** real world tracks, reasonably good modelling of vehicle dynamics,
useful car set-up screens, opponents that drive like real drivers (except
for timid braking).  A program that rewards smooth, consistent driving and
punishes you severely if you F#$% up your entry into a corner.

Pole Position: cheesy "chase view" depiction of car, ultra-flat topography
that depicts real-world GP tracks in name only, only two gears, take any
line you want driving style encouraged, idiotic swervo-matic opponents.  
Just put it in high and bash the other guys off the corners.  

I think you'll find little sympathy here.  If I charged myself a quarter
for every time I've booted up WorldCircuit I'd be a very poor man by now.
I can think of no program I've come across that still has my interest over
a year after purchasing it.

|> If you know any products which uses this "manual protection",
|> please let me know - so that I never buy them.
|>

IndyCar, GP Unlimited, Wing Commander, probably lots more.

Stephen

gary..

Manual Protection in "World Circuits" (MicroProse)

by gary.. » Tue, 21 Dec 1993 04:32:21


> I just bought the renowned "World Circuit" from MicroProse, and
> its copy protection is quite bothering me.
> It requires me to type a word in a line in a paragraph in a page,
> everytime I start the game.  According to its manual,
> they had to use this scheme to protect the illegal copies.
> But I do not think that it is quite right to annoy innocent people
> from which they get money.

> I have purchased about 20 games, but this MicroProse product is quite
> obnoxiously irritating.  In case of SimEarth, it asked only when I
> started the game for the first time after I installed it, which is
> reasonable.

> I am returning this idiotic software to Best Buys.
> I will not buy any product from MicroProse either.

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And all the pirated versions are played with no inconvenience of password
lookup.  Its like a punishment for those of us "playing by the rules."  But,
after playing through X-Wing, and the 2 add-ons Imperial Pursuit and B-Wing, I
read a post about how to edit one of the files to bypass password checking.
Even though I now only play the odd historical mission, what a difference it
makes to not have to retrieve the password.  Now I won't hesitate to seek out a
crack for games I purchase.

All the games I have bought lately, i.e. Comanche, Syndicate, EANHL hockey,
Falcon 3.0, don't have password checking.  I hope there is a trend to get away
from this.

One more thing, it was so easy to alter B-Wing that I was wondering if
LucasArts intentionally made it this way.  Are all password protections this
easy to break?  I don't care if the next X-Wing add-on (if there is one)
overwrites the crack, because I can just re-install everything (and then crack
the new one).

Gary

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cosc19

Manual Protection in "World Circuits" (MicroProse)

by cosc19 » Tue, 21 Dec 1993 16:38:19




>|> I just bought the renowned "World Circuit" from MicroProse, and
>|> its copy protection is quite bothering me.
>|> It requires me to type a word in a line in a paragraph in a page,
>|> everytime I start the game.  According to its manual,
>|> they had to use this scheme to protect the illegal copies.
>|> But I do not think that it is quite right to annoy innocent people
>|> from which they get money.

>Personally, I find this to be a rather unobtrusive copy-protection scheme.
>Until EVERYTHING is on CD-ROM you have to give the software developpers a
>break.  

I think that buying software is kind of "mentality".
People who pirate will either pirate or not buy.
People who buy software will buy it even if they are able to
pirate (from friends/relatives).
So, I don't think that software company will really lose significant
amount of money because of pirating.
Instead of wasting their money in protecting their software,
they might better donate the money to schools in order to
teach students about software copyright.

Another thing software company can do (and shoud do) to prevent pirating
is to make good comprehensive manuals.  In case of "World Circuit",
I consider its manual one of the best.  I am sorry that this software
uses so stupid copy protection.
Maxis's Sim* series have very good manuals also.
In case SimAnt, I just bought it, because I think that its manual is
excellent (but I found that I really don't play it often 8-) ).  
Yes, I could pirate it since I can easily access it in this University.

Sincerely,

pascal milo

Manual Protection in "World Circuits" (MicroProse)

by pascal milo » Tue, 21 Dec 1993 21:32:36

GPU has manual copy protection BUT it's not the look-up-in-manual
approach. Instead you have a " wheel " where you match a particular F1
personality with a track item. It takes two seconds to figure out and is
definitely better than the manual look-up method. If i had to have
manual copy protection, this would be it. As for GPU, who esle out there
has/plays it??? I haven't seen much said on this game. I played it a lot
until i got ICR. I guess WC is way better than GPU. I know ICR is
better, BUT GPU gives you the option of track creation which is what
kept me going back to play it. Now if ICR or WC could do this
IMAGINE!!!!                                          Pascal
Kirk Memb

Manual Protection in "World Circuits" (MicroProse)

by Kirk Memb » Tue, 21 Dec 1993 22:49:51


I think part of the piracy problem is the "pirates" lack of money.
Also, the high prices of stuff cause this problem.
Nintendo and Genesis games are $70 when pc games were $40, now pc games
have been jacked up to $70 as well.  This will probably cause more piracy.

I bought World Circuit and find it annoying to take the manual out
everytime I want to play.  The manual is on the shelf with the disks.
The game is "installed" on my hard drive.  That's the reason I installed it,
so I can play it at will (not load it up on disk)
Looking up words in a manual is like playing a game from floppy.

Same thing with Dungeon Hack.  I know the game.  I play it everyday.
I don't need to use the manual anymore, so why do I have to keep looking up
words when I go down a level?
(one good thing about DH's manual, onscreen it puts the first letter of the
word you have to type in so you know what it is...defeats the "do I count
titles? problems)

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Steve M. Brunt

Manual Protection in "World Circuits" (MicroProse)

by Steve M. Brunt » Wed, 22 Dec 1993 15:09:15

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  No they are not.  I've spent many a long hour with a disassemblers and
de***s trying to get rid of the annoying manual protection.  I agree
with the original poster that it is really annoying.  I've got five different
manuals sitting here on my desk that I have to hunt through depending on
what game I want to play.  I'm not sure why LucasArts made theirs so easy.
It's sort of like looking for your 'cash' save in Privateer save files.
(backward hex of your actual amount if you are wondering)  I think that
software companies should go to the one time asking on install or
something along those lines.

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Brian Jacks

Manual Protection in "World Circuits" (MicroProse)

by Brian Jacks » Thu, 23 Dec 1993 16:35:48


>I just bought the renowned "World Circuit" from MicroProse, and
>its copy protection is quite bothering me.

Then you must have an extraordinarily low tolerance for things in your
life. Having to enter a word every at the start of the program is
hardly a traumatic experience. Sheesh.

You'd probably have a different opinion if adding such a feature to
your own software product gave you and extra $300K per year, huh?

Get used to it.

Oh, bullshit.

Let me get this straight. You consider Pole Postion to be a better
racing _simulator_ (as opposed to "game") than World Circuit?  Hahaha.

I suspect that there are many here and in the racing community that
would differ with you.  Do Formula One drivers use Pole Position to
study race courses?  I think not.

We all have better things to do than run interference for you in the
real world. You're young aren't you?

Sheesh++

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Brian Jackson


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