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OT: More trouble for CART

Art McEwe

OT: More trouble for CART

by Art McEwe » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 01:29:49

Looks like Penske's sponsors would rather get coverage for just the Indy 500
rather then the entire CART series...

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Olav K. Malm

OT: More trouble for CART

by Olav K. Malm » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 01:46:06


> Looks like Penske's sponsors would rather get coverage for just the Indy 500
> rather then the entire CART series...

> http://www.tsn.ca/racing/readstory.asp?story_id=2063498

And because of that the topic is "more trouble for CART" ? What about
trouble for Penske, or trouble for de Ferran and Castroneves ?

--
Olav K. Malmin, dead tired off doom and gloomers
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Joe Saxo

OT: More trouble for CART

by Joe Saxo » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 01:52:47

The point is that if CART loses Penske, that would be a big blow. Do you not
understand that? Anyone can see that CART is having major problems right
now, it's pretty obvios.

JS




> > Looks like Penske's sponsors would rather get coverage for just the Indy
500
> > rather then the entire CART series...

> > http://www.tsn.ca/racing/readstory.asp?story_id=2063498

> And because of that the topic is "more trouble for CART" ? What about
> trouble for Penske, or trouble for de Ferran and Castroneves ?

> --
> Olav K. Malmin, dead tired off doom and gloomers
> remove .spam when replying

David Butte

OT: More trouble for CART

by David Butte » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 02:09:03


The depressing thing is that the decision is a result of ***y fag
advertising. "Our decision will be driven by our sponsor," says Roger
Penske. OK, so that's usually the case anyway, but does he have to be
quite so blatant about it? Not the slightest mention of a *racing*
reason for the switch. For heaven's sake, US, if only you'd have the
sense to ban tobacco ads (even on the EU's glacial timescale) we
wouldn't have this idiocy.

CART has problems right now, no point in denying that, but it depresses
me that a lot of people seem to have given up in an American-based
international series, and are content just to stay in the comfortable
rut of IRL. I'm not disputing that it might well have good racing - but
it would have been nice to see a proper international rival series to
shake F1 out of its complacency - instead it looks as though the best
we'll see is open-wheel NASCAR.

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Cowen Wilso

OT: More trouble for CART

by Cowen Wilso » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 03:01:18

Cart is shooting it's own self in the foot.  They'll be lucky to last
another two season the way they are going now.  As it stands right now they
have no engine manufacturers for next year and are under investigation by
the SEC.  They are a sinking ship.

CW




> > Looks like Penske's sponsors would rather get coverage for just the Indy
500
> > rather then the entire CART series...

> > http://www.tsn.ca/racing/readstory.asp?story_id=2063498

> And because of that the topic is "more trouble for CART" ? What about
> trouble for Penske, or trouble for de Ferran and Castroneves ?

> --
> Olav K. Malmin, dead tired off doom and gloomers
> remove .spam when replying

MadDAW

OT: More trouble for CART

by MadDAW » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 03:08:46

(even on the EU's glacial timescale) we

Yeah ban them and then nobody would be racing at all. No thanks.

MadDAWG

Thomas M?rlun

OT: More trouble for CART

by Thomas M?rlun » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 04:18:36


What's the SEC?

rik zeppeli

OT: More trouble for CART

by rik zeppeli » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 04:18:13


Penske is not leaving CART!!!
Penske *may* start an irl team and move marlboro there, but he will stay in
CART, sponsors to be Mobil One, and Penske Auto Centers.

rik zeppeli

OT: More trouble for CART

by rik zeppeli » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 04:20:12


Where do you get this crap?
CART has all 3 coming back next year.
There is no sec investigation.
If your going to make statements, back them up with FACTS, not your musings.

rik zeppeli

OT: More trouble for CART

by rik zeppeli » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 04:21:16


All tobacco advertising will be banned in the US after 2006.

Art McEwe

OT: More trouble for CART

by Art McEwe » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 05:30:39

While not 100% accurate, CW isn't 100% wrong either,  you can pick nit's
with his statements but there's no point in pretending everything is
hunky-dorry in CART.

2 of the 3 engine makers have said they're not staying past 2002 under the
proposed rules.

http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/03CART/011018b.html
http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/03CART/011012b.html

One of CART's biggest stakeholders is trying to use the SEC to stage a coup:

http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/03CART/011026a.html

SimRace

OT: More trouble for CART

by SimRace » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 06:53:41

The Security and Exchanges Commision (the "big brother" watchdog over the
stock markets here in the US, a Federal organization I think)

In layman's terms, they're the folks that came in and busted Gordon Gecco in
"Wall Street" the movie.




> > Cart is shooting it's own self in the foot.  They'll be lucky to last
> > another two season the way they are going now.  As it stands right now
> they
> > have no engine manufacturers for next year and are under investigation
by
> > the SEC.  They are a sinking ship.

> What's the SEC?

David Butte

OT: More trouble for CART

by David Butte » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 06:56:21


Good. A lot of people complain about tobacco ad banning, but I'm
totally in favour. You can drink safely; you can drive fast cars
safely... you can't smoke safely. There's the difference. (Not to
mention passive smoking...)

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deep insights can be winnowed from deep nonsense -- Carl Sagan

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SimRace

OT: More trouble for CART

by SimRace » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 06:55:58

This one sounds more firm on the deal

http://www.thatsracin.com/01/1104/1102blountcol.htm


rik zeppeli

OT: More trouble for CART

by rik zeppeli » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 07:48:46


But CW said 2002.
Words mean things.

Right, NOT an investigation by the SEC, as was stated.
Again, words mean things.


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