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OT: More trouble for CART

DAVID J ROBINSO

OT: More trouble for CART

by DAVID J ROBINSO » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 08:31:18


> Good. A lot of people complain about tobacco ad banning, but I'm
> totally in favour. You can drink safely; you can drive fast cars
> safely... you can't smoke safely. There's the difference. (Not to
> mention passive smoking...)

Yes but smoking a pack of cigs in one night will not kill you.  Finishing a
bottle of Jack Daniels can.

Dave

David Ewin

OT: More trouble for CART

by David Ewin » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 08:29:36




> > Cart is shooting it's own self in the foot.  They'll be lucky to last
> > another two season the way they are going now.  As it stands right now
> they
> > have no engine manufacturers for next year and are under investigation by
> > the SEC.  They are a sinking ship.

> What's the SEC?

The Securities Exchange Commission - they police things like stock fraud,
insider trading, etc. For what are they being investigated?

Dave Ewing

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Tim

OT: More trouble for CART

by Tim » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 08:44:46

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:29:49 -0500, "Art McEwen"


>Looks like Penske's sponsors would rather get coverage for just the Indy 500
>rather then the entire CART series...

>http://www.tsn.ca/racing/readstory.asp?story_id=2063498

Well, it's bad news for the 8 people that watch CART, but on the
upside, the 6 people who watch IRL should be very happy.
David Butte

OT: More trouble for CART

by David Butte » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:34:11


True - but if you do that you're not using the *** to the
manufacturer's recommendations. If you smoke the fags you are.

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Rafe McAulif

OT: More trouble for CART

by Rafe McAulif » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:21:55

Also, Toyota won't commit to 2003 either unless the engine rules are
identical to IRL spec. Which they won't. CART is aiming at a non
rev-limited 3.5 l motor running on methanol.

CART really needs to take up Ford's offer of a spec motor for 2003,
it's the only way the series will survive.

Rafe Mc

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:30:39 -0500, "Art McEwen"


>While not 100% accurate, CW isn't 100% wrong either,  you can pick nit's
>with his statements but there's no point in pretending everything is
>hunky-dorry in CART.

>2 of the 3 engine makers have said they're not staying past 2002 under the
>proposed rules.

>http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/03CART/011018b.html
>http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/03CART/011012b.html

>One of CART's biggest stakeholders is trying to use the SEC to stage a coup:

>http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/03CART/011026a.html

Rafe McAulif

OT: More trouble for CART

by Rafe McAulif » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:26:06



>On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:29:49 -0500, "Art McEwen"

>>Looks like Penske's sponsors would rather get coverage for just the Indy 500
>>rather then the entire CART series...

>>http://www.tsn.ca/racing/readstory.asp?story_id=2063498

>Well, it's bad news for the 8 people that watch CART, but on the
>upside, the 6 people who watch IRL should be very happy.

Anyone who watches IRL (only 4 actually) will be unhappy when an
organization like Penske comes in. They will totally dominate if they
run an IRL season, the slap-dash efforts of the competition will be a
laughing stock in comparison.

It'll be like McLaren in the late 80's of F1, with complete
domination. Hopefully it'll also spell the end of IRL and force a
reconciliation.

Rafe Mc

rik zeppeli

OT: More trouble for CART

by rik zeppeli » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:33:15


> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:29:49 -0500, "Art McEwen"

> >Looks like Penske's sponsors would rather get coverage for just the Indy
500
> >rather then the entire CART series...

> >http://www.tsn.ca/racing/readstory.asp?story_id=2063498

> Well, it's bad news for the 8 people that watch CART, but on the
> upside, the 6 people who watch IRL should be very happy.

Now THATS perspective.....    ;)
Dave Henri

OT: More trouble for CART

by Dave Henri » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 11:07:16




> >On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:29:49 -0500, "Art McEwen"

> >>Looks like Penske's sponsors would rather get coverage for just the Indy
500
> >>rather then the entire CART series...

> >>http://www.tsn.ca/racing/readstory.asp?story_id=2063498

> >Well, it's bad news for the 8 people that watch CART, but on the
> >upside, the 6 people who watch IRL should be very happy.

> Anyone who watches IRL (only 4 actually) will be unhappy when an
> organization like Penske comes in. They will totally dominate if they
> run an IRL season, the slap-dash efforts of the competition will be a
> laughing stock in comparison.

> It'll be like McLaren in the late 80's of F1, with complete
> domination. Hopefully it'll also spell the end of IRL and force a
> reconciliation.

> Rafe Mc

  No it will be the end of CART but will force reconcialltion.  Hmmm maybe
after all the IRL teams get spanked they will leave and form a new series on
the backwoods courses of Road AMerica, Mid Ohio & Road Atlanta :)
dave henrie
Matt & Ton

OT: More trouble for CART

by Matt & Ton » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:25:57

Just curious... Is there anyone here in RAS that also posts in the
www.seventhgear.com forums?

With the amount of people in here in favor of CART, you folks should post there
to help even out the doom & gloom...
(even if it's purty g'damn gloomy!)

Warlock!

Olav K. Malm

OT: More trouble for CART

by Olav K. Malm » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 17:54:47


I sometimes post in the autoracing1.com forum. But I've kind of
stopped reading the forums now since i'm so sick and tired of so
called CART fans who claim CART is dead, and at the same time sound
like they enjoy it. What kind of a fan is that ?

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Olav K. Malm

OT: More trouble for CART

by Olav K. Malm » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 17:58:55


> The point is that if CART loses Penske, that would be a big blow. Do you not
> understand that? Anyone can see that CART is having major problems right
> now, it's pretty obvios.

People said that it was a big blow that Goodyear left open wheel
racing too. If Penske decides to leave CART it will be Penkes loss,
not CART's. And certainly not Chip Ganassi's. In the long run, teams
come and go.

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Rafe McAulif

OT: More trouble for CART

by Rafe McAulif » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 21:00:06

Or maybe they could form their own "backwards" series and run them all
in reverse. :P

After all, IRL is pretty backwards anyway :)

Rafe Mc

Stephen Smit

OT: More trouble for CART

by Stephen Smit » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 21:16:54

A realist.




> > Just curious... Is there anyone here in RAS that also posts in the
> > www.seventhgear.com forums?

> > With the amount of people in here in favor of CART, you folks should
post there
> > to help even out the doom & gloom...
> > (even if it's purty g'damn gloomy!)

> I sometimes post in the autoracing1.com forum. But I've kind of
> stopped reading the forums now since i'm so sick and tired of so
> called CART fans who claim CART is dead, and at the same time sound
> like they enjoy it. What kind of a fan is that ?

> --
> Olav K. Malmin
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Olav K. Malm

OT: More trouble for CART

by Olav K. Malm » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 21:27:46


> A realist.

That might be so. But it's the tone of the posts that I really don't
like. When someone starts the post by claiming how big fan they are
and use the rest of the post to tell everyone that CART is dead, again
in a tone that almost sounds like they enjoy it. Like when I tell
people that I can't travel to Le Mans next year because I have to
attend my cousin's wedding. And the answer is "good, you don't need to
go to those stupid motor races anyway".

It's like the old saying, when enough people starts to believe
something it starts to be the truth. That's why I'm so glad Mark
Cippolini at Autoracing1.com is not taking part in the Robin Miller
sudden quest for CART's demise. It's a good thing someone tries to
stay positive, even there is not much to be positive about.




> > > Just curious... Is there anyone here in RAS that also posts in the
> > > www.seventhgear.com forums?

> > > With the amount of people in here in favor of CART, you folks should
> post there
> > > to help even out the doom & gloom...
> > > (even if it's purty g'damn gloomy!)

> > I sometimes post in the autoracing1.com forum. But I've kind of
> > stopped reading the forums now since i'm so sick and tired of so
> > called CART fans who claim CART is dead, and at the same time sound
> > like they enjoy it. What kind of a fan is that ?

> > --
> > Olav K. Malmin
> > remove .spam when replying

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rik zeppeli

OT: More trouble for CART

by rik zeppeli » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 22:46:10




> > A realist.

> That might be so. But it's the tone of the posts that I really don't
> like. When someone starts the post by claiming how big fan they are
> and use the rest of the post to tell everyone that CART is dead, again
> in a tone that almost sounds like they enjoy it. Like when I tell
> people that I can't travel to Le Mans next year because I have to
> attend my cousin's wedding. And the answer is "good, you don't need to
> go to those stupid motor races anyway".

> It's like the old saying, when enough people starts to believe
> something it starts to be the truth. That's why I'm so glad Mark
> Cippolini at Autoracing1.com is not taking part in the Robin Miller
> sudden quest for CART's demise. It's a good thing someone tries to
> stay positive, even there is not much to be positive about.

Don't let em get ya down Olav, CART will be fine, there is plenty of
positive things happening, new races, new sponsors, SPEEDVISION, 140 million
dollars, and so on.
CART may be experiencing some growing pains right now, but I'm not worried
at all.
Open wheel oval racing is on the way out, but we don't depend on ovals, now
do we?
Besides, my main beef with the irl is the crappy drivers, and underfunded
"who the hell are they" teams. not to mention the fake racecars. If CART
joins the irl, all that will be gone!
No more billy boats, no more racing dentists, no more amateurs from the dirt
track,
and hopefully no more fake racing.
Yes, with TG announcing he will not protect any irl teams I think the only
hope for the irl in it's current form is a healthy CART series. Ironic, eh?

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