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by **Iain Mackenzi** » Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Greg,
It's strange isn't it how one or two people seem to have that opinion of the
graphics. I think they are superb. Maybe there are too many tweaking

750 with V3!
I'm coming to the conclusion that there is something about graphics cards
and the performance of F12K. Voodoos appear to perform really well, both in
frame rate and quality, but Geforce and others seem to be not so good.
Iain

> > On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:10:26 -0500 Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me>

> > % > For my tastes, F12000 didn't make the cut, but for many others, they
> are
> > % > having a blast. Since you enjoy SGGT, F12000 should seem very
> > % > similar. However, I feel that F12000 suffers from many of the same
> > % > problems Cart Precision Racing had, so on that count, you may find
> > % > F12000 wanting. But you will never know until you try it yourself.

> > % If you were not Michael E. Carver I would have assumed this was
> > % a troll. Since CPR totally blew, and IMHO is no comparison at
> > % all to F1 2000, I am very curious to know exactly why you did not
> > % like F1 2000. Were you running it on a P-166 or something?

> > PIII 650 with Voodoo3 2000....

> Huh, that is weird. As I have said earlier, my P2-450 with 12MB Voodoo 2
> is giving 20fps in test and 15fps during races. This is at 800x600 with 22
> opponants and the mirrors ON. I also just bought the parts to upgrade my
> CPU to a P3-600E. The framerate *HAS* to be better than with the P2-450
> IMHO. So I don't know.

> I also don't get what your problem is with the graphics. I think they are
> spectacular. I guess you just don't like the game. Fine...

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by **Iain Mackenzi** » Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Intelligent informative comment or subtle humour? hmmm .... I wonder.
Iain

by **Graeme Nas** » Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:00:00

LOL :-)

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by **Joe6** » Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>You have missed out
>the important words in my post, i.e. 'total ignorance OF THE SIM'.

Your statment is nothing but an insult, since all the posts I've seen
are from people who have played the game. When you mature enough to
have a reasonable debate, please post again.

Joe McGinn
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by **Joe6** » Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>Well since you think the game is a dog and you returned it, I am
>curious why you are still reading these threads.

Because I'm interested in sim racing, and because I enjoy debate with
reasonable people who hold differing opinions (such as yourself). I
probably shouldn't respond to the ones who stoop to insulting everyone
they disagree with, you're right.

Joe McGinn
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by **Joe6** » Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:00:00

And yet, when one makes vague assertions about ignorant posts, without
giving any specifics, it can only be interpreted as a lowbrow insult.

>Aha! At least one other person in this thread understands the English
>language!

>> For reference sake..ignorant posts are not neccessarily from ignorant
>> people....

Joe McGinn
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by **Greg Cisk** » Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> Greg,
> It's strange isn't it how one or two people seem to have that opinion of
the
> graphics. I think they are superb. Maybe there are too many tweaking

Athlon
> 750 with V3!
> I'm coming to the conclusion that there is something about graphics cards
> and the performance of F12K. Voodoos appear to perform really well, both
in
> frame rate and quality, but Geforce and others seem to be not so good.

Yes it is weird. I hope we finally find out what the problem is. I also
plan to continue to use my 12MB Voodoo2 when I get my P3-600E
going. That way we will get a direct result with FRAPS of what a
difference (if at all) a faster CPU will make. I will probably try
editing the config.ini file for the system type again. My 450 and
V2 gave the system rating of 2 originally. When I tried changing
it to 5 as described here I got a huge slowdown. It will be interesting
to see if things get much better.

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by **Greg Cisk** » Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:00:00

In your opinion. My opinion on every one of your points is
completely opposite.

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> On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 08:07:23 +0100 Iain Mackenzie

> % God only knows what you are looking for then! As you say, life is too
> % short.
> % Iain

> I am looking for a quality all-around sim product and F1-2000 isn't one.
> It was rushed out to meet the start of the real 2000 season and wasn't
> optimized, de-bugged, the graphics seem unfinished (almost as if they
> ran out of paint), the AI ain't, the FF isn't, sound is very lacking,
> etc. If and when EA/ISI release a huge update, I may give it another
> try.

> On the other hand, NFS:PU was a quality all-around sim product that was
> finished, has good graphics, is optimized, good sound, better FF, better
> AI, etc. I found NFS:PU more enjoyable, and I still have GPL for my
> full fix of racing simulator.

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by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I didn't see that much of an improvement when I upgraded from a 500 Athlon
to a 750. It was very disappointing!
Iain

> > Greg,
> > It's strange isn't it how one or two people seem to have that opinion of
> the
> > graphics. I think they are superb. Maybe there are too many tweaking

> Athlon
> > 750 with V3!
> > I'm coming to the conclusion that there is something about graphics
cards
> > and the performance of F12K. Voodoos appear to perform really well,
both
> in
> > frame rate and quality, but Geforce and others seem to be not so good.

> Yes it is weird. I hope we finally find out what the problem is. I also
> plan to continue to use my 12MB Voodoo2 when I get my P3-600E
> going. That way we will get a direct result with FRAPS of what a
> difference (if at all) a faster CPU will make. I will probably try
> editing the config.ini file for the system type again. My 450 and
> V2 gave the system rating of 2 originally. When I tried changing
> it to 5 as described here I got a huge slowdown. It will be interesting
> to see if things get much better.

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by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:00:00

End of debate as far as I'm concerned - you are a very strange individual in
my opinion. I hope you find someone who suits your intellect and level of
reasoning to argue with soon.
Iain

> >You have missed out
> >the important words in my post, i.e. 'total ignorance OF THE SIM'.

> Your statment is nothing but an insult, since all the posts I've seen
> are from people who have played the game. When you mature enough to
> have a reasonable debate, please post again.

> Joe McGinn
> _____________________
> Radical Entertainment

by **Joe6** » Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>End of debate as far as I'm concerned - you are a very strange individual in
>my opinion.

Thanks! Coming from you that's a compliment to be sure.

Joe McGinn
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Radical Entertainment

by **Mrv** » Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:00:00

This game is very poor and disappointing. I can't see how people in
here say that the physics are good. No F1 car behaves or drives like
this game makes it out to be. Have you used the external view? Car
looks like it is floating on the road from side to side. Unbelievable.

> >Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here ...

> People who disagree with you are ignorant now? Oh, thanks for the
> news!

> Joe McGinn
> _____________________
> Radical Entertainment

by **ymenar** » Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:00:00

"Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote

In your opinion. My opinion on every one of your opposite points is
completely opposite.

They say opposites attract... hmmmm ;)

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by **Don Burnett** » Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Well, I don't race in external view, too unrealistic for me. Physics seem
pretty good, not to say they can't be better, but I am enjoying it. As for
how no F1 car behaves or drivers like they do in this game, I really can't
comment as I have never driven a formula 1 car.

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Don Burnette
Dburn in N3 and Legends

> This game is very poor and disappointing. I can't see how people in
> here say that the physics are good. No F1 car behaves or drives like
> this game makes it out to be. Have you used the external view? Car
> looks like it is floating on the road from side to side. Unbelievable.

> > >Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here ...

> > People who disagree with you are ignorant now? Oh, thanks for the
> > news!

> > Joe McGinn
> > _____________________
> > Radical Entertainment

by **Greg Cisk** » Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:00:00

External view? Get real, my 9 year old nephew uses the external
view. haha.

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> looks like it is floating on the road from side to side. Unbelievable.

> > >Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here ...

> > People who disagree with you are ignorant now? Oh, thanks for the
> > news!

> > Joe McGinn
> > _____________________
> > Radical Entertainment

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