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Zonk

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by Zonk » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

(you may have to scroll down a bit as this guy updates a lot...)

And before the Sierra/papyrus-are-wonderful people strike back, let me add, i
am in a position to know a member of Sierra/Cendant who did recently leave the
company naming the reasons that are show in the above piece. Whatever is going
on there, it is pissing off a lot of people, and they are jumping ship.

Whether this will effect the actual finsihed product or not is debateable.
Certainly Morale is low.

Z.

Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00

Well, whoopdy-doo, Zonk!

Welcome to the REAL world of big business, mate!  Morale is low
*EVERYWHERE*....not just at Sierra/Papyrus!


> Whatever is going
> on there, it is pissing off a lot of people, and they are jumping ship.

> Whether this will effect the actual finsihed product or not is debateable.
> Certainly Morale is low.

--
Regards,
Bruce.
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The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club  is located at:-
http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/
Zonk

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by Zonk » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00


>Well, whoopdy-doo, Zonk!

>Welcome to the REAL world of big business, mate!  Morale is low
>*EVERYWHERE*....not just at Sierra/Papyrus!

Sounds like you've been working for the wrong employers for a long time then,
Bruce.

It's certainly not low around here, and the person who has moved has found
happniess and never level of transcendtal thought for another Software Co.

Z.

Paul Jone

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by Paul Jone » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00


> It's certainly not low around here, and the person who has moved has found
> happniess and never level of transcendtal thought for another Software Co.

Good on you, Z. But don't count on that for ever. I was happy as a programmer where I work but a
takeover, one but bad quarter, new management and suddenly you feel like yesterday's man. :-(
Paul
Marc J. Nelso

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by Marc J. Nelso » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00


> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

I see that Yellow Journalism is alive and well...

Sorry...after 2-1/2 years since the Sierra/CUC buyout, I see nothing
unusual about the turnover rate at Papyrus.  The people who left were
high-profile, and as such we remember when one leaves more so than
if they were simply a tech-support or graphic artist type.

It won't.  No company should be so reliant on a single individual as
to worry about the future of the company (or product) if that person
leaves.  I doubt that Sierra would risk so many 'eggs' in a single
basket.

From what I've seen of the few posts by 'current' Papy people, m***
appeared to be just fine, but then I never asked directly.  I assume
from your statement, however, that someone from the company called or
wrote *you* saying that "m***is low?"  I think not, Dr.

Cheers!

Marc

--
Marc J. Nelson
The Sim Project - http://www.racesimcentral.net/

* No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

Zonk

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by Zonk » Sat, 01 Aug 1998 04:00:00



>> Certainly Morale is low.
>From what I've seen of the few posts by 'current' Papy people, m***
>appeared to be just fine, but then I never asked directly.  I assume
>from your statement, however, that someone from the company called or
>wrote *you* saying that "m***is low?"  I think not, Dr.

I mentioned my own experience with a friend who was an ex-employee of Sierra.
Perhaps you should re-read the previous post.

Z.

Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 01 Aug 1998 04:00:00

I would be more interested in the opinions of somebody who is STILL
EMPLOYED! :o)


> I mentioned my own experience with a friend who was an ex-employee of Sierra.

--
Regards,
Bruce.
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The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club  is located at:-
http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/
Zonk

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by Zonk » Sat, 01 Aug 1998 04:00:00


>I would be more interested in the opinions of somebody who is STILL
>EMPLOYED! :o)


>> I mentioned my own experience with a friend who was an ex-employee of Sierra.

Bruce,
 I cannot mention his name or postion for obivous reaosns, but he was in a
highly important role reagrding sale and promotion of a division of Sierra
products. He resigned of his own free will from Sierra, sick of the company
and the way it was treating it's employees, and now has taken up employment
with another major publisher in a similar role.

Z.

(this is recent- he left around 3-4 weeks back.)

Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 01 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Fine, Zonk, but I could fill a book with tales of disgruntled employees
venting their collective spleens about how rotten "the Company" is
and/or how badly they've been treated.

I would, as I said, be more inclined to accept the feelings of somebody
who is still an employee...preferably someone at a similar level and who
has been there a reasonable length of time.....or at least as long as
this friend of yours.  That way the opinions usually become balanced!



> >I would be more interested in the opinions of somebody who is STILL
> >EMPLOYED! :o)


> >> I mentioned my own experience with a friend who was an ex-employee of Sierra.

> Bruce,
>  I cannot mention his name or postion for obivous reaosns, but he was in a
> highly important role reagrding sale and promotion of a division of Sierra
> products. He resigned of his own free will from Sierra, sick of the company
> and the way it was treating it's employees, and now has taken up employment
> with another major publisher in a similar role.

> Z.

> (this is recent- he left around 3-4 weeks back.)

--
Regards,
Bruce.
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The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club  is located at:-
http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/
Chuck Anderse

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by Chuck Anderse » Sat, 01 Aug 1998 04:00:00

: I would be more interested in the opinions of somebody who is STILL
: EMPLOYED! :o)

Exactly the point I was trying to make it the other Sierra thread. :)

Marc J. Nelso

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by Marc J. Nelso » Sat, 01 Aug 1998 04:00:00


> I mentioned my own experience with a friend who was an ex-employee of Sierra.
> Perhaps you should re-read the previous post.

Eh?...Perhaps YOU should 're-read' your own...You mentioned "the
actual finished product" and "m***is low" in the same paragraph.

What is "the" unfinished product you speak of...anything to do
with GPL?  If so, you're ~implying~ that 'm***is low at Papyrus,
and this will have an impact on the release of GPL'...why do you
feel the m***factor at one company have an effect on the product
of another?

If this had nothing to do with GPL, then it's an "off topic" post,
in which case makes you a hypocrite (re: The CART accident thread).

Get a clue.

--
Marc J. Nelson
The Sim Project - http://www.racesimcentral.net/

* No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

mark jeangerar

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by mark jeangerar » Sun, 02 Aug 1998 04:00:00

I am still employed and it is my professional opinion the GPL will rip like
mad.

--

mark
Remove us here and there to mail me.


>I would be more interested in the opinions of somebody who is STILL
>EMPLOYED! :o)


>> I mentioned my own experience with a friend who was an ex-employee of
Sierra.

>--
>Regards,
>Bruce.
>----------
>The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club  is located at:-
>http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Sun, 02 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Thanks Mark.
How long have you been with Papyrus and will you be doing GP3 for them?


> I am still employed and it is my professional opinion the GPL will rip like
> mad.

--
Regards,
Bruce.
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The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club  is located at:-
http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/
m e i j

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by m e i j » Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Well I know several key people from Sierra UK who have "jumped ship"
following extremely bizarre requests made of them in their new
contracts. Far from this being a Cendant problem, the rot appears to
have set in around the time of the CUC takeover when the base of
operations switched from the States to Paris, France.

Since then, key people have been leaving in droves, not just from
Sierra but from Blizzard (10 people walked out) and Papyrus as well. A
lot of this may be down to the alledged improprieties of the parent
company in it's financial details but that's really just speculation.

Regardless of what Cendant have done/are doing, Sierra should be doing
it's best to do what is best for itself and its employees but appears
to be dropping the ball.

I may not know anyone at Papyrus but I know from experience that when
key members of a team leave, it is often hard to maintain the balance.
That said, I have played GPL (press preview) and it IS the best racing
sim I have played for some time.

M



Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Well, therein sits the answer.....FRANCE!!!

Then kew so much, meiji, for that little tid-bit.  


--
Regards,
Bruce.


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