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CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

Greg Cisk

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Greg Cisk » Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Oh yes please do visit http://www.racesimcentral.net/ and read their
CPR review. Here is the last paragraph:

"CART Precision Racing is the first racing simulation to come
along in years that is a total racing simulation package. It's not
just another pretty 3D accelerated face in the crowd. CART is a
solid racing simulation with enough depth and appealing 3D
accelerated visuals to convert the most loyal ICR2 fanatic in
a matter of laps. No doubt about it, this one's a keeper!"

Ok stop laughing. But this is a real review!!!

BTW, I do consider the author a friend but CPR sucks so bad
that I just can't help myself on this one :-)

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Victor Cha

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Victor Cha » Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:00:00

With all the jokes and criticisms about MS CART, I have to say that MS CART
is quite fun to play when you race by yourself.  But during the actual race
with 12 or more cars, the framerate suffers greatly.  I couldn't seem to
tweak the framerate except to overclock my Monster 3D, which I have not done
so until I install a fan first.  Anyone here uses an AGP or an AGP
compatible 3D card to play MS CART?  What can I?  I already have a P 200 MMX
with 48RAM and Monster 3D, but couldn't squeeze out more framerates.

--
Victor Chan

Ken

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Ken » Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:00:00

I don't often comment on other site's reviews, but I must admit this one is
pretty funny!
                                                     Ken
The Game Pad
http://gamepad.org/


> Oh yes please do visit http://www.pcme.com and read their
> CPR review. Here is the last paragraph:

> "CART Precision Racing is the first racing simulation to come
> along in years that is a total racing simulation package. It's not
> just another pretty 3D accelerated face in the crowd. CART is a
> solid racing simulation with enough depth and appealing 3D
> accelerated visuals to convert the most loyal ICR2 fanatic in
> a matter of laps. No doubt about it, this one's a keeper!"

> Ok stop laughing. But this is a real review!!!

> BTW, I do consider the author a friend but CPR sucks so bad
> that I just can't help myself on this one :-)

> --
> Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.


Barton Spencer Brow

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Barton Spencer Brow » Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:00:00

These are my two favorite quotes from the PCME review:

"Another update [from TRI] which will address a small number of things,
none of which kept me from enjoying the simulation, is in the works. The
driving physics are really nice."

"The AI drivers aren't dummies. I've almost given up on expecting a
professional race car driver's intellect going up against me and 30+
other AI drivers thinking the same way in a sim of this type. The
drivers aren't complete blooming idiots in this simulation, but they do
put up a pretty good race. Putting it frankly, it's no worse than what
we've grown to expect from a fast-paced racing simulation of this
magnitude."

Really.

Bart Brown

Bruce Kennewel

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Exactly *which* version of Cardio Pulmonary Resuscitation is this person
using?
It can't be the same one that was foisted on the rest of the world
before Christmas, surely?

--
Bruce
(at work)

"Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get
tired."
(Jules Renard)

Bruce Kennewel

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:00:00

(snip)
MS CARTis quite fun to play when you race by yourself.
(unsnip)

Sorta defeats the purpose somewhat, doesn't it?   $XX for a solo racing
game.  Nah....I don't really think that it'll catch on!

--
Bruce
(at work)

"Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get
tired."
(Jules Renard)

Donald R. Chapm

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Donald R. Chapm » Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Unbelieveable!
I did not think anyone could top the incompetent and dishonest reviews
that were written by David Laprad of The Adrenaline
Vault(http://www.racesimcentral.net/) or Garrett***s of
Operation 3DFX(http://www.racesimcentral.net/), but
this one takes the cake.

Whether you like CPR or not, go read the review by Rod White at
PCME(http://www.racesimcentral.net/), because it is
absolutely hilarious. There are plenty of funny quotes about how good
the AI is, and he calls both Grand Prix 2 and Indycar 2 "Indy" car
simulators.The words "hard core simulation" are used throughout the
review, but of course there is no mention of the lack of full course
yellows, or AI that can be beaten by 20mph average on Professional
settings. However, as a P166, 32mb ram, Pure 3D(6mb 3DFX) owner who
has never been able to run CPR,patched or unpatched, at better than 20
frames per second with***pit on; I find the following quote the best
of all.

"It's not a resource hog. If you have a P166+ with a 3Dfx Voodoo
Graphics or Riva-128 powered board, you should be in good shape."

Its not a resource hog?!? Yeah right, and Grand Prix 2 has network
play and weather effects.
I should be in good shape to go back to playing the Rendition version
of Indycar 2(CART Racing) with the new 3D enhanced/AI enhanced tracks
provided by The Sim Project(http://www.racesimcentral.net/)!!. I'll take 30
frames per second full detail, good AI, full course yellows, and the
good control that Indycar 2 offers, over the frustrations of CPR
anyday.

After reading the reviews at The Adrenaline Vault and Operation 3DFX,
I stopped visiting those sites for *** news and reviews because I
felt they could no longer be trusted. I am now adding PCME to the list
as well.

Don Chapman

Barton Spencer Brow

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Barton Spencer Brow » Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:00:00

<<(snip)
MS CARTis quite fun to play when you race by yourself.
(unsnip)

Sorta defeats the purpose somewhat, doesn't it?>>

I guess the same could be said about sex...

Bart

Jarrod Smit

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Jarrod Smit » Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:00:00


> After reading the reviews at The Adrenaline Vault and Operation 3DFX,
> I stopped visiting those sites for *** news and reviews because I
> felt they could no longer be trusted. I am now adding PCME to the list
> as well.

I have to agree.  It seems as if it is getting quite difficult to find
a  _bad_ review of a game these days.  I wonder if the reviewers really
like almost every game out, or if the editors are spinning their words
for fear they might***someone off...either way these reviews are of
very little value, except for learning what features a game offers and
for screenshots.

That's why I come to the newsgroups to get reviews from actual
players/simmers.  If you just sit and listen for a little bit, it's
usually easy to tell who is just spouting off and who really knows what
they are talking about.  For example, Papadoc's latest posts about F1RS
have really been helpful.  I feel like I have a good feeling for what
I'm getting myself into (both good _and_ bad), as I'm about to buy this
sim.  Same sort of thing goes for my decision _not_ to buy CPR.  Thanks
guys and gals!

--

The Scripps Research Institute
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~jsmith

Patrick Shuma

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Patrick Shuma » Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:00:00


> Exactly *which* version of Cardio Pulmonary Resuscitation is this
> person
> using?
> It can't be the same one that was foisted on the rest of the world
> before Christmas, surely?

> --
> Bruce
> (at work)

> "Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get
> tired."
> (Jules Renard)

   No he must have been trying the latest version of Microbrew Beer '98
:-)
Ken

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Ken » Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Actually,  a review is partially a matter of opinion and partially a
matter of fact. It is a fact, for example,  that CPR has slow framerates
compared to other 3d accelerated games. It is also a fact that there are
frequent AIcrashes and that the AI is not competitive. Opinion is simply
whether or not the review thinks these things are good or bad, and how
they affect his evaluation ogf the game. By not reporting on them in a
racing sim review, the reviewer gives a serious misrepresentation of the
game.  This is just my opinion though. <g>
                                                     Ken
The Game Pad
http://gamepad.org/


> Pardon my intrusion to this fascinating thread, but isn't all that's
> written in the article an expression of one's opinion?  Some of
> you may not like CPR, but if the guy likes it, so be it.  If you found
> a mag that wrote reviews that matched your own thoughts exactly,
> wouldn't it be rather boring (George Orwell excepted)?

Ken

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Ken » Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Sorry, I forgot to spell check the above post. Guess I look like the
incompetent one now!


> Actually,  a review is partially a matter of opinion and partially a
> matter of fact. It is a fact, for example,  that CPR has slow framerates
> compared to other 3d accelerated games. It is also a fact that there are
> frequent AIcrashes and that the AI is not competitive. Opinion is simply
> whether or not the review thinks these things are good or bad, and how
> they affect his evaluation ogf the game. By not reporting on them in a
> racing sim review, the reviewer gives a serious misrepresentation of the
> game.  This is just my opinion though. <g>
>                                                      Ken
> The Game Pad
> http://gamepad.org/


> > Pardon my intrusion to this fascinating thread, but isn't all that's
> > written in the article an expression of one's opinion?  Some of
> > you may not like CPR, but if the guy likes it, so be it.  If you found
> > a mag that wrote reviews that matched your own thoughts exactly,
> > wouldn't it be rather boring (George Orwell excepted)?

SimRaci

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by SimRaci » Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Pardon my intrusion to this fascinating thread, but isn't all that's
written in the article an expression of one's opinion?  Some of
you may not like CPR, but if the guy likes it, so be it.  If you found
a mag that wrote reviews that matched your own thoughts exactly,
wouldn't it be rather boring (George Orwell excepted)?

Style and grammar aside, I make it a point -never- to comment on
another's review, period.

Cheers!

Marc 'L8BRKR' Nelson
Sim Racing News - USA
http://www.simproject.com/simnews

Sim Racing News - UK
http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews

Patrick Shuma

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Patrick Shuma » Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:00:00



> > After reading the reviews at The Adrenaline Vault and Operation
> 3DFX,
> > I stopped visiting those sites for *** news and reviews because I

> > felt they could no longer be trusted. I am now adding PCME to the
> list
> > as well.

> I have to agree.  It seems as if it is getting quite difficult to find

> a  _bad_ review of a game these days.  I wonder if the reviewers
> really
> like almost every game out, or if the editors are spinning their words

> for fear they might***someone off...either way these reviews are of

> very little value, except for learning what features a game offers and

> for screenshots.

> That's why I come to the newsgroups to get reviews from actual
> players/simmers.  If you just sit and listen for a little bit, it's
> usually easy to tell who is just spouting off and who really knows
> what
> they are talking about.  For example, Papadoc's latest posts about
> F1RS
> have really been helpful.  I feel like I have a good feeling for what
> I'm getting myself into (both good _and_ bad), as I'm about to buy
> this
> sim.  Same sort of thing goes for my decision _not_ to buy CPR.
> Thanks
> guys and gals!

> --

> The Scripps Research Institute
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~jsmith

   The best magazine for having truthful reviews is Ultra Game Players.
Unfortanatly they don't review the "***:)" sims like CPR.  They
mostly review consoles but they will put a bad game in it's place.
Bruce Kennewel

CPR: The most outragous review is on PCME

by Bruce Kennewel » Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:00:00

I reckon!
Either that or he's good friends with Jack Daniels and Johnnie Walker!

--
Bruce.
(At home)


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