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Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

David G Fishe

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by David G Fishe » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 04:47:33



> > Where do you guys go to race?

> Considering a vast majority of old simracers who do race Stockcars sims
have
> raced on the NROS back with TEN, we have almost all evolved from pickup
> racing to league racing David.  A few of us tend to do semi-regular pickup
> racing, but it's really only a few people left.

> There is also this thing, called OLR ;-)

What's OLR? Onlinracin.com?

It's the same with every online racing game unfortunately. Don't know why I
was surprised especially after hearing all the complaints here.

David G Fisher

Rob Adam

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by Rob Adam » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 05:03:37


The only reliable answer seems to be "join a league". Unfortunately, to do
that you either have to:

1) have a friend in a league that will invite you and put up with your
learning curve
2) learn on the public servers until you have the ability and/or
clean-driving reputation to join a league
3) run your own server and slowly filter out the idiots until you have a
good core group (which is essentially what a league does, but in reverse)

I haven't even tried Nascar X (3, 4, Heat, 2002, etc.) online because of the
stories I've heard. I did option "2" for GPL, and hopefully I'll never have
to drive the public VROC servers again!

John Pancoas

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by John Pancoas » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 05:16:57

  Not really.  There's plenty of leagues that will take on "strangers," at
any level.  Attitude and the willingness to learn are all most leagues ask.
OSCAR's a good example, good place to start, among others.

  It is true that some leagues are very cliqueish.........stay away from
those, to be sure.

-John


David G Fishe

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by David G Fishe » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 05:30:21

So are most r.a.s. NASCAR drivers are spread out in different leagues? I'd
prefer to race against familiar names even if some of them would love to see
me crashing into the infield wall. :-)

David G Fisher


>   Not really.  There's plenty of leagues that will take on "strangers," at
> any level.  Attitude and the willingness to learn are all most leagues
ask.
> OSCAR's a good example, good place to start, among others.

>   It is true that some leagues are very cliqueish.........stay away from
> those, to be sure.

> -John



> > The only reliable answer seems to be "join a league". Unfortunately, to
do
> > that you either have to:

> > 1) have a friend in a league that will invite you and put up with your
> > learning curve
> > 2) learn on the public servers until you have the ability and/or
> > clean-driving reputation to join a league
> > 3) run your own server and slowly filter out the idiots until you have a
> > good core group (which is essentially what a league does, but in
reverse)

> > I haven't even tried Nascar X (3, 4, Heat, 2002, etc.) online because of
> the
> > stories I've heard. I did option "2" for GPL, and hopefully I'll never
> have
> > to drive the public VROC servers again!

David G Fishe

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by David G Fishe » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 05:33:29

You might want to give N2002 a try. I haven't been exactly subtle in my
criticism of NASCAR, but I do think it's an excellent sim and the online
racing could be a blast if I could find some good drivers. Ian M. and I are
going to race once he gets a copy in England in early March.

David G Fisher



> I haven't even tried Nascar X (3, 4, Heat, 2002, etc.) online because of
the
> stories I've heard. I did option "2" for GPL, and hopefully I'll never
have
> to drive the public VROC servers again!

John Pancoas

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by John Pancoas » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 05:42:50

  Yeah, probably so.  That, and I think Nascar sim racers are in the
minority here?  But you've got the right idea; find a good league, and it's
a hoot.
  One of the most fun parts of stock car sim racing, is that you're _always_
racing someone on an oval, whereas in GPL i.e., the field can get spread out
at times on the long circuits.

  That's one thing that the Sierra races are good for if you're new to
Nascar online racing; enter them, don't even try to win.  Just concentrate
on managing traffic, finishing the race, etc.  It'll really help a newbie,
plus, if nothing else, the flamefests are usually good entertainment :)

-John



> So are most r.a.s. NASCAR drivers are spread out in different leagues? I'd
> prefer to race against familiar names even if some of them would love to
see
> me crashing into the infield wall. :-)

> David G Fisher



> >   Not really.  There's plenty of leagues that will take on "strangers,"
at
> > any level.  Attitude and the willingness to learn are all most leagues
> ask.
> > OSCAR's a good example, good place to start, among others.

> >   It is true that some leagues are very cliqueish.........stay away from
> > those, to be sure.

> > -John



> > > The only reliable answer seems to be "join a league". Unfortunately,
to
> do
> > > that you either have to:

> > > 1) have a friend in a league that will invite you and put up with your
> > > learning curve
> > > 2) learn on the public servers until you have the ability and/or
> > > clean-driving reputation to join a league
> > > 3) run your own server and slowly filter out the idiots until you have
a
> > > good core group (which is essentially what a league does, but in
> reverse)

> > > I haven't even tried Nascar X (3, 4, Heat, 2002, etc.) online because
of
> > the
> > > stories I've heard. I did option "2" for GPL, and hopefully I'll never
> > have
> > > to drive the public VROC servers again!

Eldre

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by Eldre » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 05:54:27


writes:

They put that back in?  Cool - I don't think that worked in N4, and I thought
it was dumb that they took it out...

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Rob Adam

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by Rob Adam » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:18:18

Well I *would* but here's the profile of my current *** time:

80%: Dark Age of Camelot, an on-line role-playing game that is the software
equivalent of ***
20%: GPL, practicing for league races, and suffering badly for the lack of
practice.

I owned N3, played an offline championship then uninstalled it
I own N4, have done maybe 20 laps. I think I got my fill of sim-Nascar with
N3.
I owned Heat, played it for a couple of days then gave it to my nephew

If Rally Trophy ever comes out in Canada, that might take some time away
from DAOC (or even GPL!). $60 plus tax for NR 2002 is too much for the
off-chance that I might enjoy it enough to play it regularly.



> You might want to give N2002 a try. I haven't been exactly subtle in my
> criticism of NASCAR, but I do think it's an excellent sim and the online
> racing could be a blast if I could find some good drivers. Ian M. and I
are
> going to race once he gets a copy in England in early March.

> David G Fisher





> > I haven't even tried Nascar X (3, 4, Heat, 2002, etc.) online because of
> the
> > stories I've heard. I did option "2" for GPL, and hopefully I'll never
> have
> > to drive the public VROC servers again!

ymenar

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by ymenar » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:58:04


> So are most r.a.s. NASCAR drivers are spread out in different leagues? I'd
> prefer to race against familiar names even if some of them would love to
see
> me crashing into the infield wall. :-)

Yes, that would be the case.  There are so many leagues, that they also are
of so many different types.  7 days per week, some have multiple divisions,
some with different rules (track length, open or fixed setups, etc...).
There's regional leagues, leagues that are made of "old veterans" from back
on the NROS and Hawaii, league open to everybody, etc...

OLR is Online Racing, you will probably find the most members of the
community there, but you have to pay for it.  I, personally, am not a member
of OLR because I don't feel the need to pay as I only run 2 leagues per
week.  http://www.onlineracin.com/

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Haqsa

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by Haqsa » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:14:48

Well I was being facetious, but you are probably right, the Daytona 500
made it look like it is okay to block, and people probably will.  I have
yet to play on-line myself (still learning to handle traffic) but I can
imagine the mayhem that might cause.



> Rats!

> I was afraid that after last Sunday's Daytona race, this blocking shit
would
> become more prevelant :(

> You think it's a wreck-fest on WON now?  Wait till this sets in :(

> Everyone will forget the bad out-come of all that blocking last week
:(

> -Larry



> > Why that's easy, if you were a real NASCAR driver, you would block!!



> > > I do need some tips on track etiquette. I know F1, but NASCAR is a
> > different
> > > story. The big question I have is the following: I couldn't avoid
an
> > > accident tonight at Daytona and ended up a half lap down at the
start.
> > On
> > > the last lap, the leaders came up behind me on the final turn.
What
> > exactly
> > > am I supposed to do in that situation? The spotter doesn't even
let
> > you know
> > > they're there until they are very close behind (view in mirror is
> > limited,
> > > and I don't think I heard them until about the same time the
spotter
> > > notified me). Everything turned out fine, and I think the winner
even
> > used
> > > me to draft himself to the win, but I want to make sure I do the
right
> > thing
> > > in that situation. I saved the replay if someone wants to check it
out
> > and
> > > let me know what I did right/wrong.

Dave Henri

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by Dave Henri » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:12:35



  Be sure to spend some time figuring out the replay theatre, then we can
all see how well you two do.
dave henrie

jason moy

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by jason moy » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:33:59


I mostly race offline or VROC, but I'm on sierra.com now and then as
jwmoyer.  Haven't had time/effort to race N2002 much since my league
is still using N4, but I'm sure I'll be around a lot soon.  The
problem with sierra.com is that there are normally around 200 people
racing, 90 in password-protected leagues and the other 100 are racing
at Coca Cola, Daytona, or Talladega.  In N4 I don't think I raced a
single short track or road course race once my ratings were around 2-3
since I *never* saw anyone in the 3-10 races.

FWIW, I raced the night N2002 came out with Uncle Fester at Coca Cola
and I recognize lots of people on r.a.s. from N4's sierra.com lobbies
so I'm sure at some point you'll find people.  The sim's new so I'm
sure not many people have switched over yet.

I've driven on sierra.com under the influence of hallucinogenics and
I'm pretty sure I was more cautious/consistent than normal (BE THE
CAR, man =).  Really, I think there are a lot of people who a.) have a
huge ego (i.e. think they're dale earnhardt) and try to drive beyond
their abilities - something that experience will tell you not to do
and b.) don't care/drive with the keyboard.

The biggest thing is, N2002 is possibly the first Papy game I find
more fun to race against AI than real people (outside of a league
setting).  The real joy in N4/N2002 is getting into a league and
having standings/points and that sort of pressure week in/week out
while actually having a reason to learn more than 2-3 tracks in the
game.  Plus you know the other people out there are practicing and
care about the race too.  It's mind boggling to me that I just
finished a 70 lap race at Daytona in OSCAR's sunday night rookie
division and there were only *4* cautions (all caused by warp too,
rather than bad driving).  On a LAN, I'm almost positive we could do a
200 lapper with no cautions, and we're a rookie league...  If you can
deal with being at the bottom of the food chain, sign up for OSCAR's
firebrand series.  I've been racing sims since 94 and I'm having a
ball even though I'm technically 'starting out'.

Jason
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

jason moy

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by jason moy » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:57:26


I don't see what's wrong with someone holding the ideal, low line to
keep someone from passing for position.  It's up to the person behind
them to find a partner and go around on the outside (like the real
guys do) or to back off.  Racing is about being in first place, not
letting people pass you.  If someone rearends you it's their fault,
not yours (sort of like real life street driving, actually).  There's
nothing more annoying in N4/N2002 than to have someone hit you from
behind, which is why I never drive open Bristol or Richmond races
anymore (usually I'm rearended going into turn 1 and at least one
other time before I've completed a lap).

Now, if you're talking about lapped cars blocking the leaders, that
annoys me.  If you're a lap down, get out of the way and grab on to
the end of the train.  I've picked up several positions at some races
by sticking to the back of the lead pack and letting the train catch
up to and pass slower cars.

What annoys me more than anything is when I'm in the lead pack (say,
4th place) and there's a slow car approaching and the leader dives to
pass him and the last minute and everyone behind him ends up ramming
into the lapped car since they couldn't see him (sort of like when
someone switches lanes on the highway to pass a car that's turning
left and then the next car comes and POW accident).

Jason

jason moy

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by jason moy » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:59:27


www.flashpointracing.net

Jason

Uncle Feste

Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

by Uncle Feste » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:57:19



> writes:

> >I always race with my F2 menu displayed.  Hitting the space bar toggles
> >the interval in front of & behind you.  When the leaders come up &
> >you're in the turns, stay up high out of the preferred line.  On the
> >straights, I usually just hold my position.  Don't make any quick
> >moves.  Ignore the idiots & have fun!

> They put that back in?  Cool - I don't think that worked in N4, and I thought
> it was dumb that they took it out...

??  Sure worked here in N4!

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