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Nascar 2000 vs Nascar 3

Guillaume Jacque

Nascar 2000 vs Nascar 3

by Guillaume Jacque » Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Sorry guy but I still think that Nascar 3 have too many flaw.

In nascar 2000, I ride a car on the asphalt, not on the ice. I would prefer
to play an arcade game full of good think instead of a simulation game full
of bad things.
Ohhh!!!  another thing I forgot to say about N3 is that you don't have the
drafting effect. In Nascar 2000 you have it!  And you say that N3 is a real
simulator? ( with an invisible man working in the pit, I would rather say:
some paper guy....). All cars with their ugly same looks... a simulator heh?
let me laugh!

And, when I said Nascar 2000 is Very easy to master, I mean: to drive on the
track. The AI setting is full customizable (like in N3)  from 80% to 125%.
You have to go in the setting (like in N3) to customize your car in each
track:  spoiler, suspension, tire pressure, wedge, downforce, gear ratio
etc...
You need a good car setup menu if you want to have the best performance and
handling even if you said that is an arcade game.
This game have the same challenge as N3. The only difference is: in N2000
you don't have to fight to keep your car on the track on each lap.

 Sorry but it is my opinion and whatever you will say , I will not change my
mind: N3 have some excellent points but it with some bad things too
( things that some players seems not see...) and for the first time I have
fun with a nascar game. At least, I am honest enough to admit that there is
good point and bad point for the three game: You must admit that the perfect
game is not on the earth...

Guill

Aaron Gillu

Nascar 2000 vs Nascar 3

by Aaron Gillu » Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:00:00


So you think that Nascar3's traction is too low?  I'd say just the opposite.
N3 let's you get away with things that would kill you in the real world.

This is wrong.  Drafting in N3 is absolutely vital in winning.

The biggest draw of N3 for me is the multiplayer.  Yes, it isn't quite to
the point where we'd all like it to be, but I can jump online just about any
time of the day or night and find a good server and a good crowd (in size,
not skill).  In fact, I am not even a Nascar fan.  Never watch the races and
couldn't name more than 3 drivers.  I got into N3 purely for the huge online
potential of the game.

--
Aaron Gillum
RDOS Director of Operations
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Chris Arnd

Nascar 2000 vs Nascar 3

by Chris Arnd » Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Actually drafting is modeled quite inefficiently in Nascar 2000. In real
life, you don't have the same draft effects at Bristol that you do at
Talladega. But in NASCAR 2000 you do.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but why make the center of the universe around
animated pitstops? I'm usually too busy worrying about cars coming by than
worrying about how well my front tire changer's hair looks.

--

Chris Arndt
===============================
1999 FSSPRO BGN Champion
1999 ISR Shootout Runner up
"All I can do on a given day is put myself
in a position to win, and let circumstances
dictate the outcome"
              -Richard Petty
http://CArndt.tripod.com


Chris Arnd

Nascar 2000 vs Nascar 3

by Chris Arnd » Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Another thing. You're not adjusting those settings, you're just sliding bars
over. There's no setting for shock, you can't adjust all the gear ratios,
you can't adjust pressure on each of the 4 tires,  where is the front to
rear weight bias? How about left to right weight bias?

--

Chris Arndt
===============================
1999 FSSPRO BGN Champion
1999 ISR Shootout Runner up
"All I can do on a given day is put myself
in a position to win, and let circumstances
dictate the outcome"
              -Richard Petty
http://CArndt.tripod.com


Dan Belch

Nascar 2000 vs Nascar 3

by Dan Belch » Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:00:00

No drafting in N3?  HA!  Try again Guill.  The drafting in N3 is very realistic
IMHO.  Get a few carlengths behind someone at Talladega and you'll find you
pick up about 3 or more mph top speed probably.  The reason you're not noticing
the drafting probably is due to another realism factor.  When you ride right
behind another car at speed, you suck the air off their rear spoiler, which
lets them go faster as well as you.  Also, the car grip levels in N3 are much
more realistic (and much more fun IMHO) than in N2000.  Even N3 lets you get
away with stuff that would put you in the wall in real life because it's not
perfect.   So it's still easier to drive than real life, but not too easy, like
on N2000.  But, whatever you like is your personal opinion.  Like how some
people hate GPL and some people love it (myself being on the loving it side).
So, do what you have fun with and happy racing!

Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited
http://simcrashes.cjb.net

Chris Arnd

Nascar 2000 vs Nascar 3

by Chris Arnd » Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:00:00

If you have fun with NASCAR 2000 then obviously you're not the kind of
driver that enjoys Nascar 3. Nascar 3 caters to the driver that wishes to
feel like he's really there. Accurately modeled tracks and a good physics
model that real Winston Cup drivers have said "It's like the real thing" And
Dale Earnhardt Jr used it's predecessor to practice for tracks. It's the
best NASCAR simulator, if your taste is arcade genre where no skill is
involved to drive, then of course you like Nascar 2000

Sorry for multiple posts.

--

Chris Arndt
===============================
1999 FSSPRO BGN Champion
1999 ISR Shootout Runner up
"All I can do on a given day is put myself
in a position to win, and let circumstances
dictate the outcome"
              -Richard Petty
http://CArndt.tripod.com


Mark Seer

Nascar 2000 vs Nascar 3

by Mark Seer » Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:00:00

There is no pleasing some people.

Those nice people at Sierra make us a cracking oval add-on track pack for
GPL at a reasonable price. They then go to the trouble of adding a free game
with funny road cars to run on these tracks so that people don't even have
to buy GPL and people still complain. <G>

Mark

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

G_Majo

Nascar 2000 vs Nascar 3

by G_Majo » Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:00:00

He doesnt know what drafting is, well because you cant draft with go kats :)
Philste

Nascar 2000 vs Nascar 3

by Philste » Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Ha ha. Funny. I'm almost convinced to try. Unless it's a big improvement
over the previous version, I'll pass. I tried the version on the
Playstation and if that's any indication of how real drafting is, I will
forget about... Who needs animated pit crew anyways?

Philster


> Sorry guy but I still think that Nascar 3 have too many flaw.

> In nascar 2000, I ride a car on the asphalt, not on the ice. I would prefer
> to play an arcade game full of good think instead of a simulation game full
> of bad things.
> Ohhh!!!  another thing I forgot to say about N3 is that you don't have the
> drafting effect. In Nascar 2000 you have it!  And you say that N3 is a real
> simulator? ( with an invisible man working in the pit, I would rather say:
> some paper guy....). All cars with their ugly same looks... a simulator heh?
> let me laugh!

> And, when I said Nascar 2000 is Very easy to master, I mean: to drive on the
> track. The AI setting is full customizable (like in N3)  from 80% to 125%.
> You have to go in the setting (like in N3) to customize your car in each
> track:  spoiler, suspension, tire pressure, wedge, downforce, gear ratio
> etc...
> You need a good car setup menu if you want to have the best performance and
> handling even if you said that is an arcade game.
> This game have the same challenge as N3. The only difference is: in N2000
> you don't have to fight to keep your car on the track on each lap.

>  Sorry but it is my opinion and whatever you will say , I will not change my
> mind: N3 have some excellent points but it with some bad things too
> ( things that some players seems not see...) and for the first time I have
> fun with a nascar game. At least, I am honest enough to admit that there is
> good point and bad point for the three game: You must admit that the perfect
> game is not on the earth...

> Guill

don hodgdo

Nascar 2000 vs Nascar 3

by don hodgdo » Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:00:00

ROFL!!! Brilliant Mark!

don

[|]-(_)-[|]


>> Sorry guy but I still think that Nascar 3 have too many flaw.

>There is no pleasing some people.

>Those nice people at Sierra make us a cracking oval add-on track pack for
>GPL at a reasonable price. They then go to the trouble of adding a free
game
>with funny road cars to run on these tracks so that people don't even have
>to buy GPL and people still complain. <G>

>Mark

>Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Stif

Nascar 2000 vs Nascar 3

by Stif » Sat, 01 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Thats the beauty of living in this great land. We all get to have our own
opinions and do our own thing! Good for you.

> Ha ha. Funny. I'm almost convinced to try. Unless it's a big improvement
> over the previous version, I'll pass. I tried the version on the
> Playstation and if that's any indication of how real drafting is, I will
> forget about... Who needs animated pit crew anyways?

> Philster


> > Sorry guy but I still think that Nascar 3 have too many flaw.

> > In nascar 2000, I ride a car on the asphalt, not on the ice. I would
prefer
> > to play an arcade game full of good think instead of a simulation game
full
> > of bad things.
> > Ohhh!!!  another thing I forgot to say about N3 is that you don't have
the
> > drafting effect. In Nascar 2000 you have it!  And you say that N3 is a
real
> > simulator? ( with an invisible man working in the pit, I would rather
say:
> > some paper guy....). All cars with their ugly same looks... a simulator
heh?
> > let me laugh!

> > And, when I said Nascar 2000 is Very easy to master, I mean: to drive on
the
> > track. The AI setting is full customizable (like in N3)  from 80% to
125%.
> > You have to go in the setting (like in N3) to customize your car in each
> > track:  spoiler, suspension, tire pressure, wedge, downforce, gear ratio
> > etc...
> > You need a good car setup menu if you want to have the best performance
and
> > handling even if you said that is an arcade game.
> > This game have the same challenge as N3. The only difference is: in
N2000
> > you don't have to fight to keep your car on the track on each lap.

> >  Sorry but it is my opinion and whatever you will say , I will not
change my
> > mind: N3 have some excellent points but it with some bad things too
> > ( things that some players seems not see...) and for the first time I
have
> > fun with a nascar game. At least, I am honest enough to admit that there
is
> > good point and bad point for the three game: You must admit that the
perfect
> > game is not on the earth...

> > Guill

Larr

Nascar 2000 vs Nascar 3

by Larr » Sat, 01 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Huh?  Did I miss something?

-Larry



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