rec.autos.simulators

by **John Simmon** » Mon, 14 Apr 2003 04:31:36

Server Name: RASCAR Roadies
Time: 6pm eastern
Track: Rouen
Setup: Open

by **Larr** » Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:42:01

Rouen?

Where do we get the track ?

Larry

by **John Simmon** » Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:51:10

> Rouen?

> Where do we get the track ?

> Larry

> > Server Name: RASCAR Roadies
> > Time: 6pm eastern
> > Track: Rouen
> > Setup: Open

Its a converted GPL track Larry. If you have GPL, you need to buy
Dave Noonan's converter and convert the tracks for use in NR2K3.

RASCAR will generally be running races at the converted tracks on the
weekends when Nascar is on a break. So far, the only exception is
next weekend when we run the previously postponed event at Daytona.

by ZZ » Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:15:38

I got a message that my version of Rouen and the servers were
incompatible. It wouldn't let me join. I didn't see anyone there
anyway.

ZZ
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by **spar** » Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:39:41

I got that message as well. I was looking forward to racing there. Would it
be a bad thing to do road races at 6pm eastern on a semi-regular basis (not
just the off weeks)?

Spark

by **Goy Larse** » Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:02:42

> I got a message that my version of Rouen and the servers were
> incompatible. It wouldn't let me join. I didn't see anyone there
> anyway.

I'm not 100% sure on this, but N2003 is quite picky so if either you or
John has done anything but a straight conversion, you'll probably get
that message

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **John Simmon** » Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:55:15

says...

> > I got a message that my version of Rouen and the servers were
> > incompatible. It wouldn't let me join. I didn't see anyone there
> > anyway.

> I'm not 100% sure on this, but N2003 is quite picky so if either you or
> John has done anything but a straight conversion, you'll probably get
> that message

I did a straight conversion on un-modified GPL tracks.

by **John Simmon** » Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:58:26

> I got a message that my version of Rouen and the servers were
> incompatible. It wouldn't let me join. I didn't see anyone there
> anyway.

I have no clue what that might be about. I converted unmodified
tracks (not graphics improvement files have been applied to my copy).

by **Haqsa** » Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:20:58

I think that's why in other leagues they upload the converted tracks to a
web site so that all the members are assured of having the same version.

by **John Simmon** » Tue, 15 Apr 2003 02:52:44

I didn't think that was legal.

> I think that's why in other leagues they upload the converted tracks to a
> web site so that all the members are assured of having the same version.

> > I have no clue what that might be about. I converted unmodified
> > tracks (not graphics improvement files have been applied to my copy).

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 15 Apr 2003 03:37:22

You can get Monza and Kyalami for free.
http://www.geocities.com/teamppr/roadcourses.html

David G Fisher

> Rouen?

> Where do we get the track ?

> Larry

> > Server Name: RASCAR Roadies
> > Time: 6pm eastern
> > Track: Rouen
> > Setup: Open

by **Ed Solhei** » Tue, 15 Apr 2003 03:39:00

http://www.raceservers.net/Software_Downloads.htm ?

"Larry" said:

--
ed_

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 15 Apr 2003 04:23:49

I don't think it is a matter of legalities, but propriety. If you
support the work of track convertors like Dave Noonan, you require all
league members purchase the convertor. But...as we are finding out, N2k3
seems to be VERY picky about tracks, so league admins would be wise to make
available a standard track for each event. Otherwise not all the members
will be able to connect.
As far as users taking converted tracks done with Noonan's utilities
and then releasing them...THAT will only end with Noonan and other no
longer converting tracks. Short term gain that will harm all simmers in
the long run.
dave henrie
(no babies were killed in the writing of this post)

by **Haqsa** » Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:59:36

Technically no, unless he has a license agreement with Papyrus, which I
don't think is the case. IMO Noonan does not have any legal rights to
tracks created by his converter since they are Papy's intellectual property.
I doubt very much that he could take any legal action against anybody for
posting tracks. The only thing he has any right to is the converter itself,
and even that is questionable since it is a piece of code which reverse
engineers Papy's intellectual property. Not saying whether I'm for or
against what he is doing, just that I don't believe he has any legal
protection for what he is doing. That being the case, I don't see anything
wrong with posting the tracks to a low profile website or ftp server. If
you want to be supportive of him just put a password on it.

by **John Simmon** » Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:39:01

> Technically no, unless he has a license agreement with Papyrus, which I
> don't think is the case. IMO Noonan does not have any legal rights to
> tracks created by his converter since they are Papy's intellectual property.
> I doubt very much that he could take any legal action against anybody for
> posting tracks. The only thing he has any right to is the converter itself,
> and even that is questionable since it is a piece of code which reverse
> engineers Papy's intellectual property. Not saying whether I'm for or
> against what he is doing, just that I don't believe he has any legal
> protection for what he is doing. That being the case, I don't see anything
> wrong with posting the tracks to a low profile website or ftp server. If
> you want to be supportive of him just put a password on it.

> > I didn't think that was legal.

No, I thought that since they were originally supplied with a papy
product, even in partched form, they were still copyrighted since
they contained peices of the binary images originally found in the
papy products.

At least, that's what everyone used to be concerned about...

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