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by **Haqsa** » Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:53:14

Oh, good point. Well, I still think that as a group you could probably set
up a passworded ftp server, password e-mailed to participants, so that you
can at least make sure you all have the same track version. Participants
would be expected to already own a copy of the game the tracks were from,
you could enforce that however you wanted.

by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 16 Apr 2003 05:50:11

> Oh, good point. Well, I still think that as a group you could probably set
> up a passworded ftp server, password e-mailed to participants, so that you
> can at least make sure you all have the same track version. Participants
> would be expected to already own a copy of the game the tracks were from,
> you could enforce that however you wanted.

> > No, I thought that since they were originally supplied with a papy
> > product, even in partched form, they were still copyrighted since
> > they contained peices of the binary images originally found in the
> > papy products.

> > At least, that's what everyone used to be concerned about...

If you e-mail David I believe he's allowed this for leagues before, then
it's a matter of getting Papy's permission to do the same, which I also
believe is quite possible, and everybody's happy :-)

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by **Larr** » Thu, 17 Apr 2003 05:42:17

Well, for the first time I have a gripe about RASCAR operations.

Because I haven't paid for someone elses utility, I won't be able to run in
a RASCAR Race?

Please tell me I am just misunderstanding something :)

Now, an EXTRA race, sure. Go for it. But not the main race that EVERYONE
who is a part of RASCAR is supposed to be able to run in.

-Larry

by **John Simmon** » Thu, 17 Apr 2003 06:37:40

1) Official Rascar races are on Eldfred's server, and the schedule
reflects the real life Winston Cup schedule (to the extent possible).

On weekends where real-life Nascar is not racing, and unless we're
making up a race postponed from an earlier date, I will be hosting
races on GPL tracks that are available to those who have converted
the tracks themselves. If this means that you have to already have
GPL and pay someone for some software to convert said tracks, so be
it.

I paid the money. I'm legal.

If you somehow procure a copy of the track, there is no way I can
verify that you did/didn't get it the same way I did. Let your
conscience be your guide.

by **Eldre** » Fri, 18 Apr 2003 04:10:29

That's one reason that I've never been keen on running the road courses in
RASCAR, even though *several* people have asked me about it. I believe the
races John is talking about are just fun races...

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by **Larr** » Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:07:31

My greatest fear for simmers is the DMCA. Companies have been mis-using the
DMCA and smacking people upside the head with it every since it was put into
law.

Take for example the Lexmark vs. companies making compatible printer
cartridges. Lexmark used the DMCA to stop it and, god help us, they won.

The DMCA is set to destroy nearly any and all innovation in the computer
world and it's going to create monopolies like nothing we've ever seen
before.

Larry

> Technically no, unless he has a license agreement with Papyrus, which I
> don't think is the case. IMO Noonan does not have any legal rights to
> tracks created by his converter since they are Papy's intellectual
property.
> I doubt very much that he could take any legal action against anybody for
> posting tracks. The only thing he has any right to is the converter
itself,
> and even that is questionable since it is a piece of code which reverse
> engineers Papy's intellectual property. Not saying whether I'm for or
> against what he is doing, just that I don't believe he has any legal
> protection for what he is doing. That being the case, I don't see
anything
> wrong with posting the tracks to a low profile website or ftp server. If
> you want to be supportive of him just put a password on it.

> > I didn't think that was legal.

by **Larr** » Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:10:03

I couldn't find a single indication on this site as to what game or version
these tracks are for?

Larry

> You can get Monza and Kyalami for free.
> http://www.geocities.com/teamppr/roadcourses.html

> David G Fisher

> > Rouen?

> > Where do we get the track ?

> > Larry

> > > Server Name: RASCAR Roadies
> > > Time: 6pm eastern
> > > Track: Rouen
> > > Setup: Open

by **Larr** » Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:13:03

Nope, it's not there.

-Larry

by **Larr** » Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:14:48

As long as it doesn't replace our normal RASCAR race that everyone should be
able to race in, I'm cool :)

Buying the converter isn't the hard part. The payment methods are what trip
me up.

Larry

by **David G Fishe** » Sun, 20 Apr 2003 05:15:03

I installed Monza and Kyalami into N2003 from there, but it looks like the
downloads are dead right now.

David G Fisher

> I couldn't find a single indication on this site as to what game or
version
> these tracks are for?

> Larry

> > You can get Monza and Kyalami for free.
> > http://www.geocities.com/teamppr/roadcourses.html

> > David G Fisher

> > > Rouen?

> > > Where do we get the track ?

> > > Larry

> > > > Server Name: RASCAR Roadies
> > > > Time: 6pm eastern
> > > > Track: Rouen
> > > > Setup: Open

by **Eldre** » Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:42:36

>My greatest fear for simmers is the DMCA. Companies have been mis-using the
>DMCA and smacking people upside the head with it every since it was put into
>law.

I'm soooo sick of the DMCA. I have to deal with the violation reports against
our students who get caught using kazaa... Like, about 30-50 per week...:-(

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by **Larr** » Mon, 21 Apr 2003 03:45:09

I got those too.

How many tracks can NR2003 handle ?

-Larry

> I installed Monza and Kyalami into N2003 from there, but it looks like the
> downloads are dead right now.

> David G Fisher

> > I couldn't find a single indication on this site as to what game or
> version
> > these tracks are for?

> > Larry

> > > You can get Monza and Kyalami for free.
> > > http://www.geocities.com/teamppr/roadcourses.html

> > > David G Fisher

> > > > Rouen?

> > > > Where do we get the track ?

> > > > Larry

> > > > > Server Name: RASCAR Roadies
> > > > > Time: 6pm eastern
> > > > > Track: Rouen
> > > > > Setup: Open

by **Larr** » Mon, 21 Apr 2003 03:45:46

Man, I'm glad monitoring the network for this isn't part of my job :)

Larry

> >My greatest fear for simmers is the DMCA. Companies have been mis-using
the
> >DMCA and smacking people upside the head with it every since it was put
into
> >law.

> I'm soooo sick of the DMCA. I have to deal with the violation reports
against
> our students who get caught using kazaa... Like, about 30-50 per
week...:-(

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:02:25

>Man, I'm glad monitoring the network for this isn't part of my job :)

We *don't* monitor the network for it. These reports get sent to us from
outside the university. RIAA, NetPD, a couple more that I can't recall.
Unfortunately, dealing with violations eats up a large percentage of my day...
:-(

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:06:23

>Man, I'm glad monitoring the network for this isn't part of my job :)

We *don't* monitor the network for it. These reports get sent to us from
outside the university. RIAA, NetPD, a couple more that I can't recall.
Unfortunately, dealing with violations eats up a large percentage of my day...
:-(

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