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Force feedback steering wheel ?

Peter Lock

Force feedback steering wheel ?

by Peter Lock » Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Any steering wheels available or coming with force feedback ?

What about the sims/games, any planned or there yet ??

Jim Sokolof

Force feedback steering wheel ?

by Jim Sokolof » Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:00:00


> Any steering wheels available or coming with force feedback ?

www.force-feedback.com has some information. Beware, steering wheels
that are priced for mere mortals cannot have good feedback. The motors
and control circuits are such that quality force feedback (so that it
feels like a road car without power steering) are priced such that the
$100-$300 wheels can't afford to have them.

Soda does, and a bunch more do and will shortly as DirectX5 supports
IForce, making it easier to support force-feedback across a range of
devices.

---Jim

Doug Millike

Force feedback steering wheel ?

by Doug Millike » Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:00:00


I tend to agree, good FF costs $$.

Shameless Plug department -- until such time that there is good FF for home
use, why not try the NASCAR Silicon Motor Speedway at the Mall of America
-- it's just a trip to Minneapolis -- and we worked pretty hard to get the
steering feel to be good.

Web site is:  www.lbet.com  

David Baumgarne

Force feedback steering wheel ?

by David Baumgarne » Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:00:00



> > Any steering wheels available or coming with force feedback ?

> www.force-feedback.com has some information. Beware, steering wheels
> that are priced for mere mortals cannot have good feedback. The motors
> and control circuits are such that quality force feedback (so that it
> feels like a road car without power steering) are priced such that the
> $100-$300 wheels can't afford to have them.

> > What about the sims/games, any planned or there yet ??

> Soda does, and a bunch more do and will shortly as DirectX5 supports
> IForce, making it easier to support force-feedback across a range of
> devices.

> ---Jim

  What about Actlabs' new Force RS they appear to be offering a wheel made
of quality components.  And reasonable price. Hopefully they are just
being reasonable to try to grab some market share.  I don't know if it is
available yet though.
    Anyone have any news on this controller before I buy it?  It seems to
be worth checking out.
    Their site oozes quality and commitment to computer ***. check it
out if you haven't yet.
        ACT LABS - Racing Systems

I would appreciate any feedback on this.

No clever little quotes from me.  8-)

Jim Sokolof

Force feedback steering wheel ?

by Jim Sokolof » Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:00:00




> > > Any steering wheels available or coming with force feedback ?
>> www.force-feedback.com has some information. Beware, steering
>> wheels that are priced for mere mortals cannot have good
>> feedback. The motors and control circuits are such that quality
>> force feedback (so that it feels like a road car without power
>> steering) are priced such that the $100-$300 wheels can't afford to
>> have them.
>   What about Actlabs' new Force RS they appear to be offering a
> wheel made of quality components.  And reasonable price. Hopefully
> they are just being reasonable to try to grab some market share.  I
> don't know if it is available yet though.

Being reasonable and "bleeding money" are two different things. If
they can make a force-feedback wheel that gives a convincing feel of
driving a road car without power steering and sell it for $99, I'll
eat the user's manual from one of them...

This leads to me one of three conclusions (in descending order of
likelyhood): they didn't spring for $200-$500 DC motors in their $99
wheel and thus don't have good feedback, they can buy those same
motors from an alien source at $10-$15 each, or they are willing to
bleed money like a severed aorta to give gamers a break.

I suspect it will be like the N64 Rumble-Pack, suitable only for gross
effects, like bumping into a wall, driving over grass, etc, and will
not provide a realistic feel for programmable spring and damper rates
and centers...

It may be, just don't expect force feedback to be much more than shaking.

For those who want the URL, it's http://www.racesimcentral.net/

---Jim

Trevor C Thoma

Force feedback steering wheel ?

by Trevor C Thoma » Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:00:00



good  feedback. The motors and control circuits >are such that quality
force feedback (so that it feels like a road >car without power steering)
are priced such that the $100-$300 >wheels can't afford to  have them.

<snip>

This is the very reason why we wont be including FF in our TSW in the near
future, I'd guess that an FF TSW would sell for around $2,000.00 and I dont
see selling very many at that price :(!

Trev

Nitr

Force feedback steering wheel ?

by Nitr » Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Jim, you'll eat the manual? =)

Heh.. in all honesty Jim, you should give me a call at work. I'm on the
development team and would love to tell you about the features. This thing
is created and designed by and for the ***. The $99 price is our way of
shocking the market and showing we don't need to make 300% margins on the
wheel. Basically we are positioning this product in a way where gamers can
see what we are coming out with this year =)

Gimme shout anytime, I'm a harsh sim gamer and would love to tell you about
my experiences with the RS and why some of the technology its including is
important and how many people have overlooked some of the killer app's.
<grin>

1-800-980-9997 Ext 119

Brandon Crick
ACT LABS
"Max the Experience"
http://www.racesimcentral.net/





>> > > Any steering wheels available or coming with force feedback ?

>>> www.force-feedback.com has some information. Beware, steering
>>> wheels that are priced for mere mortals cannot have good
>>> feedback. The motors and control circuits are such that quality
>>> force feedback (so that it feels like a road car without power
>>> steering) are priced such that the $100-$300 wheels can't afford to
>>> have them.

>Being reasonable and "bleeding money" are two different things. If
>they can make a force-feedback wheel that gives a convincing feel of
>driving a road car without power steering and sell it for $99, I'll
>eat the user's manual from one of them...


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