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F1 is like arcade game

Thom j

F1 is like arcade game

by Thom j » Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:27:38

Ain't it "neat" Jan? hahahahaha Thom_j.


| You managed to lose me, that's for sure.
|
| Jan. ;-)
| =---
| > This is what I was asking for clarrification on <snip>
|
|

Thom j

F1 is like arcade game

by Thom j » Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:26:37

"O" Jesse.. "O" Jesse,
"then said his data was false" may I ask where did I say this? "data was
false"
huh? huh? I never used the word **false** or anything close! <VBG>
Btw: for all the hypertense NGers  I've got a great deal on prozac fer
ya'all
I just love these "nebulas" threads.. hahahaha :o)~
Cheers Thom_j.


<snipped>
|BUT you quoted him on the 6 billion people and  then said his data was
false...
<snipped again>
| JB
|


| > I can't believe it? hahahaha The quoted parts is by David F not me!!
Jeeez
| > Duh.. hahahaha <g> He refers to "6billion folks" not me!!! Hey maybe we
| > can get Jackie Chan to race F1. He is apart of the 6 billion {give or
| take}.
| > Whatcha think? hahahaha... Thom_j.
| >


| > | ok here is the quote from your message:
| > |
| > | <startquote>
| > |
| > | Btw: I wonder where David F got the 'all-mighty' info that detailed
| this?
| > | "The
| > | best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" &!! "F1 drivers
come
| > from
| > | a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people." I'd love to hear all
the
| so
| > | called
| > | expert info with true backup on these comments! hahahahaha!!
| > |
| > | <endquote>
| > |
| > | You quote him twice, once on best drivers in world, the other on f1
| > drivers
| > | coming from a talent pool of 6 billion people.  But yet then you go to
| say
| > | you want to know where David got this information, as if you are
| > questioning
| > | his statement.  So you obviously feel that F1 drivers do not come from
a
| > | world wide talent pool.  Maybe you can clarify...I took a stab at it
| > | thinking maybe you feel there aren't 6 billion people in the
world...or
| > | maybe you feel that only 1 billion have any remote chance of being
| > talented
| > | racing a car...or maybe you feel that only a few thousand have the
| talent
| > | along with the money and all they need is a little luck.  You
questioned
| > his
| > | statement and I took a stab at why...but yet you feel I need brain
| > pills...
| > |
| > | hey maybe you just forgot that you quoted him twice, and then I am
| > wondering
| > | why you are telling ME to re-read your post.
| > |
| > | Jesse Black
| > |
| > |
| > |


| > | > Well I think you better re-read my reply post below! hahaha I said
| > nothing
| > | > about "how many" people were in the world! phew!! "I said: I'd love
to
| > | hear
| > | > all the so called expert info with true backup on these comments!"
| > Meaning
| > | > His comments on: "best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers"
| > Soon
| > | > I believe I will be selling brain pills here.. hahahaha <vbg>
| > | > Cheers Thom_j.
| > | > Btw: Jessie I've put 1000s apon 1000s of online & off hrs in Gpl..
Not
| > to
| > | > even think about all the SBKs, DTRs and much more! You should know
| > | > this since I was in your GPL offline league that you tried to
| startup!!!
| > | So
| > | > just keep Smilin' :o)
| > | >


| > | > | Backup on the comments?  Do you disagree with the population of
the
| > | world?
| > | > | Maybe you want to call it 5 billion?  How many Europeans and
Asians
| > race
| > | > in
| > | > | Nascar?  You must admit, the general talent pool for Nascar comes
| from
| > | the
| > | > | US...yet there isn't an American driving in F1...and don't kid
| > yourself
| > | > and
| > | > | say that we aren't trying to get into F1...I hate to bring this
| other
| > | > point
| > | > | up...but foreigners that want to race in the US usually end up in
| > CART.
| > | I
| > | > | have nothing against the skills of Gordon or Stewart or any other
| > nascar
| > | > | driver, its just that the numbers are against them.  And besides,
| how
| > | many
| > | > | F1 drivers do you see smoking during the race?
| > | > |
| > | > | JB
| > | > |


| > | > | > Is this guy ever going to let it go?? phew!!! Talk about beating
a
| > | dead
| > | > | > horse!
| > | > | > David F we know you "opinons" about F1 so take a chill pill or
| some
| > | > prozac
| > | > | > will ya? Jeeez...
| > | > | > Btw: I wonder where David F got the 'all-mighty' info that
| detailed
| > | > this?
| > | > | > "The
| > | > | > best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" &!! "F1
drivers
| > | come
| > | > | from
| > | > | > a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people." I'd love to hear
| all
| > | the
| > | > so
| > | > | > called
| > | > | > expert info with true backup on these comments! hahahahaha!! Do
| you
| > | > think
| > | > | > maybe Meir Shetreet will drive F1 next? huh? huh? OMG this is
too
| > | funny!
| > | > | > Cheers Thom_j.
| > | > | >


| > | > | > <snipped>
| > | > | > | > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers.
| > | > | > | > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion
| > people.
| > | > | > <snipped again>
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
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| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
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Alan Orto

F1 is like arcade game

by Alan Orto » Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:39:16


> I was under the impression that a lot of those driving aids had been
> outlawed.

> As far as I know, power steering has never been allowed in F1, which is why
> all the drivers have to be extremely fit - those cars generate more G-forces
> than practically any other kind of car.

> F1 is extremely technically advanced, and I'd agree that the engineers (and
> all the rest of the team) deserve a big slice of the credit when theirs cars
> win, but that isn't to belittle the drivers - they are at the top of their
> profession.

> The young guys coming in are extremely good because they are the pick of the
> crop.

> Maybe the reason they can get straight in the car and go fast is that a lot
> of them practice with computer games - Juan Montoya at least is a GPL fan!

Here is a good article, read it. I believe, Frentzen. He doesn't seem to
be the type to complain or make a fuss, he hasn't in the past.

You decide, do you think there is cheating going on?

So, if teams can easily put in traction control then there is a very
good possibility they have other driving aids on as well, such as ABS.

http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/01formula1/010312a.html

"This is very typical for Formula One in particular. And now I give you
an unconditional statement, in the past 18 races, I had plenty of
opportunity to trail behind Ferrari cars or machinery powered by Ferrari
engines. And one thing was particularly remarkable, out of tight
corners, these cars had a pretty stunning acceleration, combined with a
misfiring engine."

The young drivers are not the "pick of the crop" they will just race for
less money then say guys from CART or other top notch series. GPL may be
a good driving sim but you couldn't use it as a training tool to get
into modern day f1. Forget about GP3. ;)

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Gaul

F1 is like arcade game

by Gaul » Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:57:15



> > I was under the impression that a lot of those driving aids had been
> > outlawed.

> > As far as I know, power steering has never been allowed in F1, which is
why
> > all the drivers have to be extremely fit - those cars generate more
G-forces
> > than practically any other kind of car.

> > F1 is extremely technically advanced, and I'd agree that the engineers
(and
> > all the rest of the team) deserve a big slice of the credit when theirs
cars
> > win, but that isn't to belittle the drivers - they are at the top of
their
> > profession.

> > The young guys coming in are extremely good because they are the pick of
the
> > crop.

> > Maybe the reason they can get straight in the car and go fast is that a
lot
> > of them practice with computer games - Juan Montoya at least is a GPL
fan!

> Here is a good article, read it. I believe, Frentzen. He doesn't seem to
> be the type to complain or make a fuss, he hasn't in the past.

> You decide, do you think there is cheating going on?

> So, if teams can easily put in traction control then there is a very
> good possibility they have other driving aids on as well, such as ABS.

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> "This is very typical for Formula One in particular. And now I give you
> an unconditional statement, in the past 18 races, I had plenty of
> opportunity to trail behind Ferrari cars or machinery powered by Ferrari
> engines. And one thing was particularly remarkable, out of tight
> corners, these cars had a pretty stunning acceleration, combined with a
> misfiring engine."

I had considered posting that same quote earlier but decided against it.
Maybe some teams have managed to sneak some form of ABS into their cars, but
time and time again I've seen cars locking up and smoking their tires while
going into corners.  These drivers, at least, don't have the benefit of ABS
unless this is part of some clever ***. :-/
Andre Warrin

F1 is like arcade game

by Andre Warrin » Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:54:01





>> After I posted I began to think I should have worded the question
>> differently.  I knew there had been drivers from South Africa didn't know
>> about Rhodesia or Morocco learned something new ,anywho, I was more
>> interested in their ethnicity.  Are any of those drivers ,to put it less
>> eloquently, black?
>  uhmmm I have an absolutely GASTLY reply...I won't share it tho....
>it does answer your question and it does concern Nikki Lauda but would be in
>SUCH POOR TASTE that even I am shocked I thought of it....
>dave henrie

You're right, that reply would have been way too sick to mention here
:)

Andre

Gaul

F1 is like arcade game

by Gaul » Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:35:51

And yes, I realize that Frentzen was not speaking of ABS.  I was responding
to the claim that ABS is around.  Possible?  Sure.  Likely?  Not from what I
see on the track.

Peter Ive

F1 is like arcade game

by Peter Ive » Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:22:23





>> The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans
>> don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it).

>> F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people.

>Bullshit.  If that were the case then we'd see the field dominated by Asian
>and Indian drivers, with at least a few blacks as well.  The talent pool is
>NOT drawn from the entire planet, since the specialized and developed
>driving skills and vehicles necessary are not present in most parts of the
>world.

Exactly!!  Hey, guess I'll just go and have a kickabout with some of my
mates down the park.  Who knows, I might even be good at it?  Then, how
about taking a car out for a spin around some track somewhere.  Oh shit!
I can't!  And neither can anyone else that I know of.   And it was never
on my school curriculum either.  Bring that 'world wide' talent pool of
6 billion down to probably less than 100,000 and you would be a lot
closer, I reckon.

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Dave Henri

F1 is like arcade game

by Dave Henri » Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:03:50

  It would be used similar to how they snuck launch control in....at the
roll off for
the warmup lap..you'd see the front runners light up their tires will clouds
of smoke...
obviously no traction control right?  The when the race proper
starts...zoooooom off they
go without even a wisp of smoking tire.....
  ABS brakes....turn it off at a place or two to impress the marshalls that
you are
locking them up...then compose yourself and drive smoother the rest of the
races.<wink wink, nudge nudge>
dave henrie
Eldre

F1 is like arcade game

by Eldre » Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:47:37


>The young drivers are not the "pick of the crop" they will just race for
>less money then say guys from CART or other top notch series. GPL may be
>a good driving sim but you couldn't use it as a training tool to get
>into modern day f1. Forget about GP3. ;)

Hell, I'd drive an F1 car for FREE...! :)

Eldred
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Jan Verschuere

F1 is like arcade game

by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:04:16

Me too!! -I'll even beach it in some sandtrap for 'm. ;-)

Jan.
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Gaul

F1 is like arcade game

by Gaul » Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:51:26


Hehe... good point.  I wouldn't put anything past them. :-)

Alan Orto

F1 is like arcade game

by Alan Orto » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:52:03


> Me too!! -I'll even beach it in some sandtrap for 'm. ;-)

> Jan.
> =---
> EldredP wrote...
> > <snip>>
> > Hell, I'd drive an F1 car for FREE...! :)

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...

> > Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level,
> > then beats you with experience...
> > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Save up $200,000+ and run a Formula Ford for a season with good results
then hire a PR person and a agent to give a F1 team a call and tell them
you are a funded driver, You never know. ;)

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Eldre

F1 is like arcade game

by Eldre » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:06:39



>Your stereotyping all of us N4 drivers by the actions of 1 or 2? Do you
>think that's right?

First impressions die hard...

Hell, I'm nervous enough just running side by side in GPL...<G>

Eldred

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Eldre

F1 is like arcade game

by Eldre » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:06:39


No - he's not making ANY friends...<g>

Eldred
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Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...

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David Ewin

F1 is like arcade game

by David Ewin » Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:54:30


>   It would be used similar to how they snuck launch control in....at the
> roll off for
> the warmup lap..you'd see the front runners light up their tires will clouds
> of smoke...
> obviously no traction control right?  The when the race proper
> starts...zoooooom off they
> go without even a wisp of smoking tire.....

The reason that happens is because they intentionally try to create a ton of
wheelspin at the start of the parade lap so that they will lay down *** at
their starting box, giving them more grip for the real start.  Then during the
actual start, they are much more conservative in their application of throttle,
which is, of course, a faster way to start.  Also, lighting up tires during the
practice start heats them up for the race.

You don't really believe that, do you?  You OFTEN see them locking up when they
are outbraking each other during a pass.  If they had the option to hit a
switch and get ABS, they would surely use it in those situations.

Dave Ewing

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