Are you using Windows 2000/XP? Mine had major force feedback problems
(including a big performance hit) when I upgraded to WinXP from Win98 -
especially in ISI games that use fairly sophisticated FF. Logitech are
aware of it but they say that they don't support that old wheel under 2K/XP.
>> >I dug out my old Red Logitech Wingman Formula Force and trying
>> >to find some settings that will work with it for rFactor,
>> >can't seem to get any centering spring, and the forces are a
>> >little week. I use to love this great and still the smoothest
>> >wheel I have ever had.
>> Are you using Windows 2000/XP? Mine had major force feedback
>> problems (including a big performance hit) when I upgraded to
>> WinXP from Win98 - especially in ISI games that use fairly
>> sophisticated FF. Logitech are aware of it but they say that
>> they don't support that old wheel under 2K/XP.
There is a version of Profiler specifically for the old wheel and
XP, but I forget the version number off-hand. You can probably
find it at WingmanTeam.com.
Do you have the Controller set to WHEEL, FF set to FULL, and the
Strength turned up in the game options? If I max out the strength
setting, I can barely turn the wheel, it's so strong. I think I've
got it turned down to about 60% -- but I'd have to check to be
sure.
HTH,
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Darryl
Everything you need to get the older LWF & LWFF wheels working in XP,
including separate pedal axes, is at:
http://www.wingmanteam.com/files/releases/4.50/.
Grazie to Tom at Logitech!
SB
I've been running my LWFF since, oh, about 1998. I usually run in
three or four races a week and a few additional hours of practice.
When I started using the wheel so much, I thought: "I'd better
order Jens Shumi's bearing kit.", but, of course, I never got
around to it. I do have a printed version of hiw old webpage with
all the disassembly instructions though.
I even bought a second -- backup -- wheel. It's still sitting in
the back of the closet. I've only used it enough to know that it
works.
To make this even more outstanding, both wheel were originally
purchased by me as "reconditioned", so they weren't even brand
new.
Does it affect FPS? I don't know. I've never hooked up another
wheel to compare. I do get what I consider to be respectable frame
rates for the hardware I'm running, so if I *am* loosing some FPS,
it isn't drastic.
Obviously, I've been lucky in the durability of my wheel. Perhaps
I've been lucky with the framerate thing too.
--
Darryl
>> Does enabling FF still cause a big frame rate hit with the LWFF
>> under XP in ISI games? I remember pleading for them to fix it
>> from the time when F1 2002 through until GTR came out and they
>> basically said it was never going to happen. Anyhow, I'm
>> amazed that people still have LWFFs in working condition. Mine
>> wore out ages ago and I'm only an occasional racer.
> I've been running my LWFF since, oh, about 1998. I usually run in
> three or four races a week and a few additional hours of practice.
> When I started using the wheel so much, I thought: "I'd better
> order Jens Shumi's bearing kit.", but, of course, I never got
> around to it. I do have a printed version of hiw old webpage with
> all the disassembly instructions though.
> I even bought a second -- backup -- wheel. It's still sitting in
> the back of the closet. I've only used it enough to know that it
> works.
> To make this even more outstanding, both wheel were originally
> purchased by me as "reconditioned", so they weren't even brand
> new.
> Does it affect FPS? I don't know. I've never hooked up another
> wheel to compare. I do get what I consider to be respectable frame
> rates for the hardware I'm running, so if I *am* loosing some FPS,
> it isn't drastic.
> Obviously, I've been lucky in the durability of my wheel. Perhaps
> I've been lucky with the framerate thing too.
> --
> Darryl
It's ... uh ... about 50 pages worth. I'd have to scan it all in,
so all you'd get would be jpegs of the various pages. They'd be
huge files (legible version) or smaller files but illegible.
But why do all that when you can get the stuff "from the horse's
mouth". Jens Shumi pages have moved, but they're still up.
http://jensschumi.drition.net/LogiCorner.htm
HTH,
--
Darryl
Duh! Why didn't I think of that? <grin>
I'll try to remember to give it a try next time I've got rFactor
fired up.
--
Darryl
>> Try setting FF to 'off' in an ISI game and see if the framerates
>> improve. It's only Win2K/XP that suffers a big framerate hit -
>> Win98/ME don't have the problem.
> Duh! Why didn't I think of that? <grin>
> I'll try to remember to give it a try next time I've got rFactor
> fired up.
Papyrus NASCAR Racing 2003
Sitting in pits 100fps FF ON 110fps FF OFF
Driving 143fps 141fps
[Odd that, big difference to fps while in pits, no significant
difference while driving, at least on this one track at the same
point for both tests]
ISI rFactor 1.070
Sitting in pits 99-102fps FF ON 100fps FF OFF
Driving 64-65fps 95-106fps
[Pretty *big* difference in fps while driving!]
Summary.
OK, a *very* cursory test, and not one that would stand up to any
rigorous examination. The rFactor test involved one car (rF3) at
one track (The Mother), although I did at least use the same spot
on the track to measure the fps while driving -- halfway between
pit exit and T1.
Both the games were used in "testing" mode, offline and with only
one car on the track. Online lag might make an even bigger (or
smaller) difference to the fps with FF turned on, and the addition
of other cars -- generally an fps hit -- might also increae or
decrease the fps differences. I'll let someone else with more free
time work on that aspect.
I have to say that I *like* FF; it not only adds to the sense of
being there, but I find it improves my feel for the handling of the
car as well. I can no longer recall the original premise: was it
that all wheels suffer a drop in fps in ISI games, or was it that
the old Logi wheels suffer and newer wheels do not?
In any case, I'll stick with using FF in rFactor, even with my
antique wheel. <grin> Anything better than 50fps is smooth enough
for my driving skills anyway.
All the best,
--
Darryl
I'm still running my old red LWFF. Were I to purchase a new wheel to
replace it, what's the most comparable out there now?
