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force feed back wheel

Jean-Christoph

force feed back wheel

by Jean-Christoph » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Hi,

I'm fan of car simulation an i would like to by a force feed back
wheel...

I already hear these comments :

    - The new thrumaster is not very good
    - The microsoft is good
    - the actlab is very good
    - the others are bad

Could you tell me what you think about that and your sensation of gamer
if you try one of them

Thanks
                                                 Jean Christophe :-)

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Chris Schlette

force feed back wheel

by Chris Schlette » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00

And the Logitech Wingman Formula Force, minus the pedals, is the best. :)


Galley_SimRace

force feed back wheel

by Galley_SimRace » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Logitech's Wingman Formula Force USB is the best.  Get all of your FF
question answered at the forum at http://www.force-1.com/

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by Morris Jone » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I have the USB Actlabs and it is wonderful, and the guys there are some of
the best I have ever delt with.

> Logitech's Wingman Formula Force USB is the best.  Get all of your FF
> question answered at the forum at http://www.force-1.com/

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> > Hi,

> > I'm fan of car simulation an i would like to by a force feed back
> > wheel...

> > I already hear these comments :

> >     - The new thrumaster is not very good
> >     - The microsoft is good
> >     - the actlab is very good
> >     - the others are bad

> > Could you tell me what you think about that and your sensation of gamer
> > if you try one of them

> > Thanks
> >                                                  Jean Christophe :-)

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Jesse Blac

force feed back wheel

by Jesse Blac » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Just a question, if you minus the pedals, how can it be the best?

>And the Logitech Wingman Formula Force, minus the pedals, is the best. :)



>> Hi,

>> I'm fan of car simulation an i would like to by a force feed back
>> wheel...

>> I already hear these comments :

>>     - The new thrumaster is not very good
>>     - The microsoft is good
>>     - the actlab is very good
>>     - the others are bad

>> Could you tell me what you think about that and your sensation of gamer
>> if you try one of them

>> Thanks
>>                                                  Jean Christophe :-)

>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

Mark Stah

force feed back wheel

by Mark Stah » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00

you can use a different set of pedals (like the CH ones) plugged into the
gameport with it..... at least in GPL
>Just a question, if you minus the pedals, how can it be the best?

>And the Logitech Wingman Formula Force, minus the pedals, is the best. :)

John Bod

force feed back wheel

by John Bod » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00

The Saitek R4 Force wheel is highly underrated, and it's a real
bargain right now -- you can reportedly get a refurbished one from
Saitek (complete with warranty) for $75 US.  The Saitek wheel is a
digital wheel that features the same electronics as the Microsoft
Sidewinder Force Feedback wheel -- for MUCH less money.

Check out our review of the Saitek R4 Force wheel for a more detailed
look at what it has to offer:

http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/sims/saitek/

-- John Bodin
   Publisher, The IRL Insider Magazine
   http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:19:00 GMT, Jean-Christophe


>Hi,

>I'm fan of car simulation an i would like to by a force feed back
>wheel...

>I already hear these comments :

>    - The new thrumaster is not very good
>    - The microsoft is good
>    - the actlab is very good
>    - the others are bad

>Could you tell me what you think about that and your sensation of gamer
>if you try one of them

>Thanks
>                                                 Jean Christophe :-)

>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

Tim (fusio

force feed back wheel

by Tim (fusio » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>The Saitek R4 Force wheel is highly underrated, and it's a real
>bargain right now -- you can reportedly get a refurbished one from
>Saitek (complete with warranty) for $75 US.  The Saitek wheel is a
>digital wheel that features the same electronics as the Microsoft
>Sidewinder Force Feedback wheel -- for MUCH less money.

I don't really see that as much of a bargain on a re-furb.
I paid $30 more for a brand new Formula Force.
Not trying to be argumentative, I thought the same thing when I saw
the original Saitek post.

Tim

John Bod

force feed back wheel

by John Bod » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00

$30 makes a big difference to tightwad bargain-seekers like myself!
<G>  

Seriously, though, a Force Feedback wheel as nice as the Saitek for
the same price as your average non-FF wheel is truly a bargain.  

Granted, a LWFF wheel for only $30 more is also a bargain, but the
Saitek wheel has a couple of features the LWFF wheel doesn't:  

1) It uses a standard MIDI-compatible joystick port, found on most
sound cards, so you don't need to worry about having a spare COM port;

2) It has both paddle shifters and a stick shift, so you can choose
which to use;

3) It has a nifty height-adjustment feature for the wheel (think "tilt
wheel" on a smaller scale);

4) The Saitek pedals may not be the greatest thing since sliced
butter, but they are of a bit more conventional design than the LWFF
pedals -- not necessarily better, mind you, but Thrustmaster owners
should have no problem adapting to the Saitek pedals;

5) Your wife won't be quite as mad when you tell her that, "It has a
suggested retail price of $199, and CompUSA sells it for $175, but I
picked it up for $75, so I actually saved us money.  Why don't you go
buy yourself a new pair of shoes or something on me!"; and

6) As a refurbished item, it's already experienced a breakdown of soe
sort that's been repaired by the factory, so you won't have to worry
about infant mortality failures or a device that doesn't work right
out of the box because someone forgot something simple like a broken
spring on the pedal or the fact that someone might have overlooked the
need to solder a wire in place properly or such.  Most manufacturers
scrutinize refurbed items more closely than they do the new items
rolling off the assembly line -- so they may be more trouble-free, in
addition to being less expensive.  

Also, FWIW, a co-worker of mine bought one of these refurbished wheels
from Saitek, and you can't tell the difference between it and the new
one we have in the office, so the refurbished angle shouldn't be a
deterrent in and of itself.

The bottom line is that the true tightwad bargain-seekers or those on
a tight budget will probably be delighted with a refurbished Saitek
wheel -- and the $30 price difference betwen the LWFF and the Saitek
wheel means that for $105 you could have either a LWFF wheel or a
Saitek R4 Force wheel AND the full retail version of Viper Racing plus
$5 change.  That makes my checkbook smile.  ;-)

-- John Bodin
   Publisher, The IRL Insider Magazine
   http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/




>>The Saitek R4 Force wheel is highly underrated, and it's a real
>>bargain right now -- you can reportedly get a refurbished one from
>>Saitek (complete with warranty) for $75 US.  The Saitek wheel is a
>>digital wheel that features the same electronics as the Microsoft
>>Sidewinder Force Feedback wheel -- for MUCH less money.

>I don't really see that as much of a bargain on a re-furb.
>I paid $30 more for a brand new Formula Force.
>Not trying to be argumentative, I thought the same thing when I saw
>the original Saitek post.

>Tim

Chris Schlette

force feed back wheel

by Chris Schlette » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I didn't find the pedals in any of the FF wheels, or at least the top of the
heap ones like the MSFF, Act Labs or LWFF, all that great.  And I really do
like the LWFF wheel and its feedback (althought a bit weaker than some of
the others) the most, its very very smooth.  I replaced the LWFF's pedals
with some old T2 ones I liked better.  But you can also shove a T2 or other
wheel, CH Pedals, etc into your gameport, or as another USB device, etc and
use those in GPL instead of the LWFF pedals.


> Just a question, if you minus the pedals, how can it be the best?


> >And the Logitech Wingman Formula Force, minus the pedals, is the best. :)



> >> Hi,

> >> I'm fan of car simulation an i would like to by a force feed back
> >> wheel...

> >> I already hear these comments :

> >>     - The new thrumaster is not very good
> >>     - The microsoft is good
> >>     - the actlab is very good
> >>     - the others are bad

> >> Could you tell me what you think about that and your sensation of gamer
> >> if you try one of them

> >> Thanks
> >>                                                  Jean Christophe :-)

> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

Chris Schlette

force feed back wheel

by Chris Schlette » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00

USB is even better. :)

A plus, but note that the ACT Labs has a additional H-pattern shifter which
is getting industry support.  I'd almost go get the ACT Labs wheel just for
that, especially now that they have USB wheels. :)

Either that or you can rewire them.  Too bad its not USB or uses a COM port,
then you could run an additional set of pedals too.

IF you can stand how ugly the damn thing is and the unconventional shape of
the steering wheel.

And I already have Viper, so I'll take a conventional shaped wheel and USB
support. :)

Ralf & Gwendoly

force feed back wheel

by Ralf & Gwendoly » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Can the saited ff wheel be used with ch pedals? A fellow tightwad wishes to
know ;-)

Dolle Dolf


> $30 makes a big difference to tightwad bargain-seekers like myself!
> <G>

> Seriously, though, a Force Feedback wheel as nice as the Saitek for
> the same price as your average non-FF wheel is truly a bargain.

> Granted, a LWFF wheel for only $30 more is also a bargain, but the
> Saitek wheel has a couple of features the LWFF wheel doesn't:

> 1) It uses a standard MIDI-compatible joystick port, found on most
> sound cards, so you don't need to worry about having a spare COM port;

> 2) It has both paddle shifters and a stick shift, so you can choose
> which to use;

> 3) It has a nifty height-adjustment feature for the wheel (think "tilt
> wheel" on a smaller scale);

> 4) The Saitek pedals may not be the greatest thing since sliced
> butter, but they are of a bit more conventional design than the LWFF
> pedals -- not necessarily better, mind you, but Thrustmaster owners
> should have no problem adapting to the Saitek pedals;

> 5) Your wife won't be quite as mad when you tell her that, "It has a
> suggested retail price of $199, and CompUSA sells it for $175, but I
> picked it up for $75, so I actually saved us money.  Why don't you go
> buy yourself a new pair of shoes or something on me!"; and

> 6) As a refurbished item, it's already experienced a breakdown of soe
> sort that's been repaired by the factory, so you won't have to worry
> about infant mortality failures or a device that doesn't work right
> out of the box because someone forgot something simple like a broken
> spring on the pedal or the fact that someone might have overlooked the
> need to solder a wire in place properly or such.  Most manufacturers
> scrutinize refurbed items more closely than they do the new items
> rolling off the assembly line -- so they may be more trouble-free, in
> addition to being less expensive.

> Also, FWIW, a co-worker of mine bought one of these refurbished wheels
> from Saitek, and you can't tell the difference between it and the new
> one we have in the office, so the refurbished angle shouldn't be a
> deterrent in and of itself.

> The bottom line is that the true tightwad bargain-seekers or those on
> a tight budget will probably be delighted with a refurbished Saitek
> wheel -- and the $30 price difference betwen the LWFF and the Saitek
> wheel means that for $105 you could have either a LWFF wheel or a
> Saitek R4 Force wheel AND the full retail version of Viper Racing plus
> $5 change.  That makes my checkbook smile.  ;-)

> -- John Bodin
>    Publisher, The IRL Insider Magazine
>    http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/




> >>The Saitek R4 Force wheel is highly underrated, and it's a real
> >>bargain right now -- you can reportedly get a refurbished one from
> >>Saitek (complete with warranty) for $75 US.  The Saitek wheel is a
> >>digital wheel that features the same electronics as the Microsoft
> >>Sidewinder Force Feedback wheel -- for MUCH less money.

> >I don't really see that as much of a bargain on a re-furb.
> >I paid $30 more for a brand new Formula Force.
> >Not trying to be argumentative, I thought the same thing when I saw
> >the original Saitek post.

> >Tim

Steve Blankensh

force feed back wheel

by Steve Blankensh » Sat, 03 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>As a refurbished item, it's already experienced a breakdown of soe
>sort that's been repaired by the factory, so you won't have to worry
>about infant mortality failures or a device that doesn't work right
>out of the box

Indeed; it might just be like the one I sent back just because it su...., er,
wasn't satisfactory.  Horses for courses......

What?  You can really get that now?  Ain't science wonderful? :-)

Bravo!  I hereby nominate this as the official r.a.s. gizmo justification
protocol, suitable for immediate use by all r.a.s. lurkers.  Just don't forget
the part about the shoes......

Cheers,

Steve B.

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John Bod

force feed back wheel

by John Bod » Sat, 03 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Dear fellow tightwad <G>,

The Saitek pedals attach to the main unit using -- of all things -- a
telephone-style connector.  It should be possible to make a CH
pedals-to-phone-style adapter cable, but I haven't taken the time to
figure out the pinout for the Saitek pedals.  It *should* be do-able,
but I can't make any guarantees based on my own experience.

-- JB

On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:41:01 -0500, "Ralf & Gwendolyn"


>Can the saited ff wheel be used with ch pedals? A fellow tightwad wishes to
>know ;-)

>Dolle Dolf



>> $30 makes a big difference to tightwad bargain-seekers like myself!
>> <G>

>> Seriously, though, a Force Feedback wheel as nice as the Saitek for
>> the same price as your average non-FF wheel is truly a bargain.

>> Granted, a LWFF wheel for only $30 more is also a bargain, but the
>> Saitek wheel has a couple of features the LWFF wheel doesn't:

>> 1) It uses a standard MIDI-compatible joystick port, found on most
>> sound cards, so you don't need to worry about having a spare COM port;

>> 2) It has both paddle shifters and a stick shift, so you can choose
>> which to use;

>> 3) It has a nifty height-adjustment feature for the wheel (think "tilt
>> wheel" on a smaller scale);

>> 4) The Saitek pedals may not be the greatest thing since sliced
>> butter, but they are of a bit more conventional design than the LWFF
>> pedals -- not necessarily better, mind you, but Thrustmaster owners
>> should have no problem adapting to the Saitek pedals;

>> 5) Your wife won't be quite as mad when you tell her that, "It has a
>> suggested retail price of $199, and CompUSA sells it for $175, but I
>> picked it up for $75, so I actually saved us money.  Why don't you go
>> buy yourself a new pair of shoes or something on me!"; and

>> 6) As a refurbished item, it's already experienced a breakdown of soe
>> sort that's been repaired by the factory, so you won't have to worry
>> about infant mortality failures or a device that doesn't work right
>> out of the box because someone forgot something simple like a broken
>> spring on the pedal or the fact that someone might have overlooked the
>> need to solder a wire in place properly or such.  Most manufacturers
>> scrutinize refurbed items more closely than they do the new items
>> rolling off the assembly line -- so they may be more trouble-free, in
>> addition to being less expensive.

>> Also, FWIW, a co-worker of mine bought one of these refurbished wheels
>> from Saitek, and you can't tell the difference between it and the new
>> one we have in the office, so the refurbished angle shouldn't be a
>> deterrent in and of itself.

>> The bottom line is that the true tightwad bargain-seekers or those on
>> a tight budget will probably be delighted with a refurbished Saitek
>> wheel -- and the $30 price difference betwen the LWFF and the Saitek
>> wheel means that for $105 you could have either a LWFF wheel or a
>> Saitek R4 Force wheel AND the full retail version of Viper Racing plus
>> $5 change.  That makes my checkbook smile.  ;-)

>> -- John Bodin
>>    Publisher, The IRL Insider Magazine
>>    http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/




>> >>The Saitek R4 Force wheel is highly underrated, and it's a real
>> >>bargain right now -- you can reportedly get a refurbished one from
>> >>Saitek (complete with warranty) for $75 US.  The Saitek wheel is a
>> >>digital wheel that features the same electronics as the Microsoft
>> >>Sidewinder Force Feedback wheel -- for MUCH less money.

>> >I don't really see that as much of a bargain on a re-furb.
>> >I paid $30 more for a brand new Formula Force.
>> >Not trying to be argumentative, I thought the same thing when I saw
>> >the original Saitek post.

>> >Tim

John Bod

force feed back wheel

by John Bod » Sat, 03 Jul 1999 04:00:00




>>As a refurbished item, it's already experienced a breakdown of soe
>>sort that's been repaired by the factory, so you won't have to worry
>>about infant mortality failures or a device that doesn't work right
>>out of the box

>Indeed; it might just be like the one I sent back just because it su...., er,
>wasn't satisfactory.  Horses for courses......

>>The Saitek pedals may not be the greatest thing since sliced
>>butter

>What?  You can really get that now?  Ain't science wonderful? :-)

Yes.  And here's a little known fact:  Sliced butter is given out for
free at every IRL race.  Talk about an incentive to attend! <VWG>

This has been the standard John Bodin gizmo justification protocol for
quite some time now.  As far as gizmos go, the Aura Interactor caused
the most furrowing of the brow upon receipt on the part of my spouse,
but the price justification bit saved my bacon yet again -- furrowed
brow quickly transformed into rolled eyeballs, and my fat was out of
the fire once again! <G>  You just can't beat THAT!


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