about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose
team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys
This game is a shame !
Jean
That's odd, your description sounds reminiscent of NASCAR 99 by the young
and energetic guys of Papyrus. Any company can make a bad game if their
deadlines are too tight.
GP3 is probably just like N3, Kaemmer's name doesn't even show up in the
credits for N3 as he was already working on N4, and Crammond is probably
working on GP4 while others put out this "patch".
We put up with 5 different patches from Papyrus (BGN, 99, CTS, N3,
Legends) - sold to us as games or add ons - while we wait for NASCAR 4. So
why can't we accept one minor upgrade release from Crammond?
They have to get some revenue coming in if he is going to give us the
ultimate modern F1 sim we are waiting for; Papyrus isn't going to do it, and
EA couldn't do it if they wanted to.
Maybe my message sounds a little excessive , but it's something like a
"Chagrin d'amour" in french . I played and liked so much GP2 a few years ago
than I was expecting a lot from Geoff 's team and deception is so big !!!!
I really think than passion is the most important in this kind of games and
not only money easily won. GP2 was a masterpiece , GP3 is an hoax...
Jean
> > about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose
> > team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys
> That's odd, your description sounds reminiscent of NASCAR 99 by the young
> and energetic guys of Papyrus. Any company can make a bad game if their
> deadlines are too tight.
> GP3 is probably just like N3, Kaemmer's name doesn't even show up in the
> credits for N3 as he was already working on N4, and Crammond is probably
> working on GP4 while others put out this "patch".
> We put up with 5 different patches from Papyrus (BGN, 99, CTS, N3,
> Legends) - sold to us as games or add ons - while we wait for NASCAR 4. So
> why can't we accept one minor upgrade release from Crammond?
> They have to get some revenue coming in if he is going to give us the
> ultimate modern F1 sim we are waiting for; Papyrus isn't going to do it,
and
> EA couldn't do it if they wanted to.
Lol! Have you ever actually played a PSX F1 game..... now thats lame.
People said things like "yeah, it may be just another N2 patch but Papy can
use the money for making N4". But now when Crammond releases a less than
revolutionary sim, everyone says "don't buy it, warez it, they don't deserve
a dime!"
Why does RAS have a different set of standards for Papyrus than for all the
other developers?
> Maybe my message sounds a little excessive , but it's something like a
> "Chagrin d'amour" in french . I played and liked so much GP2 a few years
ago
> than I was expecting a lot from Geoff 's team and deception is so big !!!!
> I really think than passion is the most important in this kind of games
and
> not only money easily won. GP2 was a masterpiece , GP3 is an hoax...
> Jean
message
> > > Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX game
,
> no
> > > physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really
> > > frustrating after waiting so long.
> > > about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose
> > > team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys
> > That's odd, your description sounds reminiscent of NASCAR 99 by the
young
> > and energetic guys of Papyrus. Any company can make a bad game if their
> > deadlines are too tight.
> > GP3 is probably just like N3, Kaemmer's name doesn't even show up in the
> > credits for N3 as he was already working on N4, and Crammond is probably
> > working on GP4 while others put out this "patch".
> > We put up with 5 different patches from Papyrus (BGN, 99, CTS, N3,
> > Legends) - sold to us as games or add ons - while we wait for NASCAR 4.
So
> > why can't we accept one minor upgrade release from Crammond?
> > They have to get some revenue coming in if he is going to give us the
> > ultimate modern F1 sim we are waiting for; Papyrus isn't going to do it,
> and
> > EA couldn't do it if they wanted to.
> > Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX game , no
> > physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really
> > frustrating after waiting so long.
> > about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose
> > team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys
> That's odd, your description sounds reminiscent of NASCAR 99 by the young
> and energetic guys of Papyrus. Any company can make a bad game if their
> deadlines are too tight.
> GP3 is probably just like N3, Kaemmer's name doesn't even show up in the
> credits for N3 as he was already working on N4, and Crammond is probably
> working on GP4 while others put out this "patch".
> We put up with 5 different patches from Papyrus (BGN, 99, CTS, N3,
> Legends) - sold to us as games or add ons - while we wait for NASCAR 4. So
> why can't we accept one minor upgrade release from Crammond?
> They have to get some revenue coming in if he is going to give us the
> ultimate modern F1 sim we are waiting for; Papyrus isn't going to do it, and
> EA couldn't do it if they wanted to.
> People said things like "yeah, it may be just another N2 patch but Papy
can
> use the money for making N4". But now when Crammond releases a less than
> revolutionary sim, everyone says "don't buy it, warez it, they don't
deserve
> a dime!"
> Why does RAS have a different set of standards for Papyrus than for all
the
> other developers?
> > Tracey,
> > Maybe my message sounds a little excessive , but it's something like a
> > "Chagrin d'amour" in french . I played and liked so much GP2 a few years
> ago
> > than I was expecting a lot from Geoff 's team and deception is so big
!!!!
> > I really think than passion is the most important in this kind of games
> and
> > not only money easily won. GP2 was a masterpiece , GP3 is an hoax...
> > Jean
> message
> > > > Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX
game
> ,
> > no
> > > > physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really
> > > > frustrating after waiting so long.
> > > > about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose
> > > > team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys
> > > That's odd, your description sounds reminiscent of NASCAR 99 by the
> young
> > > and energetic guys of Papyrus. Any company can make a bad game if
their
> > > deadlines are too tight.
> > > GP3 is probably just like N3, Kaemmer's name doesn't even show up in
the
> > > credits for N3 as he was already working on N4, and Crammond is
probably
> > > working on GP4 while others put out this "patch".
> > > We put up with 5 different patches from Papyrus (BGN, 99, CTS, N3,
> > > Legends) - sold to us as games or add ons - while we wait for NASCAR
4.
> So
> > > why can't we accept one minor upgrade release from Crammond?
> > > They have to get some revenue coming in if he is going to give us the
> > > ultimate modern F1 sim we are waiting for; Papyrus isn't going to do
it,
> > and
> > > EA couldn't do it if they wanted to.
:)
says...
Nascar2 and N1999 did not have the online WON.NET capabilities
that N3 has. N3 also has great FF support and is fully W98 compliant.
N1999 was not. N3 is a very large step in several areas compared to
N2/N1999.
--
> > Man, finally someone said it! Strangely reminescent of Papyrus and
> > Nascar games. N3 is just a rehash of an old game, with better graphics.
> > I still like it and enjoy playing with it. I think of GP3 in the same
> > way now.
> Nascar2 and N1999 did not have the online WON.NET capabilities
> that N3 has. N3 also has great FF support and is fully W98 compliant.
> N1999 was not. N3 is a very large step in several areas compared to
> N2/N1999.
> --
Built in Internet play was added as well... which was a big improvment
over N2 (though it still needs some work).
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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.
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After the "commitment to the cause" (GPL) turned out to be a financial
failure, there is no way I could see Hasbro giving Crammond a blank
check to do everything he wanted in GP3. Revolutionary games like GPL
aren't going to be published anymore after that disaster, so they will
have to evolve in stages like the NASCAR series has.
Crammond is releasing stage 2 now, finally, and hopefully if GP3 sells
well he will be able to give us the sim we all want in stage 3 with
GP4. I just think we need to stop acting like spoiled brats because we
didn't get everything we wanted right now.
"EldredP" wrote
But we got better 3D support, FF, some new tracks (don't know if they were
in the expansion packs for N2/N99, those weren't on sale here), body roll
and various tweaks (and this is important) requested by it's user base. When
the released version showed problems various issues were patched. Two
things, the sense of dialog with the creator and the patching, which are not
present with Crammond products so far. Furthermore Papyrus had already
proved to be "committed to the cause" (for want of a better expression <g>)
by releasing GPL and N3 was and is still the best Nascar sim around by quite
a margin. The latter might change dramatically in the near future.
Crammond seems oblivious of what simracing has evolved into after he
released GP2 (which was good for it's day). His track record of
non-commitment to the user and this half-hearted update which still sports
numerous shortcomings people were grumbling about since Gp2 started to age
give him zero credit with me for his next release. I would very much like to
see him bounce back with a future release, but from what we know of the
current planning at Hasbro-Microprose it doesn't look good, IMO.
So, in summary, if Papyrus really gets more credit in this group than any
other developer, it's because they've worked harder at maintaining their
relation with it.
Jan.
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