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GPL my idiocy at 'Ring'

Richard G Cleg

GPL my idiocy at 'Ring'

by Richard G Cleg » Sun, 08 Aug 1999 04:00:00

  Just had an amusing incident at the ring in an offline race.  I was
pootling along waaay behind the pack (I hardly ever race there - it's
just too hard - I've never lapped there without going off and I've never
got under 10 mins)....  Anyway, I had one of my all too frequent
"moments" which ended with the car going head over heels but landing all
four wheels on the road.   I seemed to be going more or less OK so I
carried on - sort of testing the suspension and driving slowly.  I was a
bit surprised to find that the flag guys were all frantically waving
yellows at me.  So I was extra cautious thinking there was an incident
up ahead....  but after about five nothing was going on so I put my foot
down..... and inevitably spun wrecking the car.

  Shift R and I see the flag guy turn his flag to green...  Fair enough
and off I go.  Another minute or so of struggling round and I had a
third "big off" - at exactly the same place as my first.  Somehow I'd
got turned around in the first crash and managed to drive backwards for
a few miles completely oblivious.  No wonder those marshalls had their
yellow flags out :-)

  Guess I really need to learn this track better.

--
Richard G. Clegg     Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

www: http://www.racesimcentral.net/

John Bodi

GPL my idiocy at 'Ring'

by John Bodi » Sun, 08 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I've had similar experiences (not with driving backwards accidentally
on-line, but with generally embarrassing myself on a track that I'm only
vaguely familiar with).  It would be interesting if GPL would somehow track
the number of laps you've completed on each track, then use this number to
determine what tracks you're eligible to race at on-line, and at what
difficulty level.  I know there are four or five tracks in GPL that I'm very
comfortable with, but beyond that, there may be a few more that I've had
*some* experience with, but by and large, I probably don't know the rest of
the tracks well enough to try competing at them on-line.

I often find myself "learning" a track (or trying to re-memorize where the
corners are) during the practice period, which really puts me at a
disadvantage -- and it also makes me a potential hazard to the drivers who
know the track and are there to race.

So what's the answer?  I know we should all be honest with ourselves and
simply avoid the tracks we don't know, but I'd rather practice on-line with
others if possible, just to get used to the on-line experience.  There is an
answer, I think:

What I usually do is stay in during the practice period, and if I'm too far
off the pace, or too uncomfortable with my recall of the track, turn-in
points, braking points, etc., then I simply exit before the actual race
starts. That way I get some experience on-line with other racers, I get to
become more familiar with new tracks, and I don't get in anybody else's way
in competition.

I'm fairly new to the on-line racing experience, but I have to say that
everybody was right -- GPL's on-line *** IS the wave of the future.  VROC
is the icing on the cake, though -- sims that provide on-line racing via the
Internet MUST have a site like VROC to serve as a central rallying point.
Without something like VROC, it's just too hard to find people to race with.

-- JB

  Just had an amusing incident at the ring in an offline race.  I was
pootling along waaay behind the pack (I hardly ever race there - it's
just too hard - I've never lapped there without going off and I've never
got under 10 mins)....  Anyway, I had one of my all too frequent
"moments" which ended with the car going head over heels but landing all
four wheels on the road.   I seemed to be going more or less OK so I
carried on - sort of testing the suspension and driving slowly.  I was a
bit surprised to find that the flag guys were all frantically waving
yellows at me.  So I was extra cautious thinking there was an incident
up ahead....  but after about five nothing was going on so I put my foot
down..... and inevitably spun wrecking the car.

  Shift R and I see the flag guy turn his flag to green...  Fair enough
and off I go.  Another minute or so of struggling round and I had a
third "big off" - at exactly the same place as my first.  Somehow I'd
got turned around in the first crash and managed to drive backwards for
a few miles completely oblivious.  No wonder those marshalls had their
yellow flags out :-)

  Guess I really need to learn this track better.

--
Richard G. Clegg     Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

www: http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Richard G Cleg

GPL my idiocy at 'Ring'

by Richard G Cleg » Sun, 08 Aug 1999 04:00:00

: I've had similar experiences (not with driving backwards accidentally
: on-line, but with generally embarrassing myself on a track that I'm only
: vaguely familiar with).

  Should emphasise that I was playing OFFline.  Wouldn't think of racing
the ring on line - I'm enough of a danger to the racing public on tracks
I know.

--
Richard G. Clegg     Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

John Bodi

GPL my idiocy at 'Ring'

by John Bodi » Sun, 08 Aug 1999 04:00:00

: I've had similar experiences (not with driving backwards accidentally
: on-line, but with generally embarrassing myself on a track that I'm only
: vaguely familiar with).

  Should emphasise that I was playing OFFline.  Wouldn't think of racing
the ring on line - I'm enough of a danger to the racing public on tracks
I know.

AH!  My mistake, Richard -- I thought it was during on-line play that this
happened.

As for on-line play, I embarrass myself there regularly! (Apologies to
all -- just think of me as your "Hiro")

-- JB

--
Richard G. Clegg     Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

Neil Rain

GPL my idiocy at 'Ring'

by Neil Rain » Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:00:00



> : I've had similar experiences (not with driving backwards accidentally
> : on-line, but with generally embarrassing myself on a track that I'm only
> : vaguely familiar with).

>   Should emphasise that I was playing OFFline.  Wouldn't think of racing
> the ring on line - I'm enough of a danger to the racing public on tracks
> I know.

I only wish I *could* race on-line at the Ring - every time I try it the
frame rate is so horrendous that I'm forced to give up.

I think it's because the track is so huge that it fills all the
available memory (32mb) and it ends up disc-swapping at various points
round the track.

I've only ever had a decent frame rate in training mode, and did get
down to 8:45 before the lure of on-line racing was too much and I had to
move to other tracks.

The Ring just gets better and better the more you learn it - I can see
how you end up dreaming about it!

Martin Portm

GPL my idiocy at 'Ring'

by Martin Portm » Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:00:00

: The Ring just gets better and better the more you learn it - I can see
: how you end up dreaming about it!

indeed!  i get 8:30's at the ring but have never raced it properly
(off line).  i'm currently mid-season in a championship, i won last
night at silverstone, and tonight i get to face the ring.  i can't wait,
but i'm also dreading it!  

odd practice note.  in carroll smith's books he tells a story of a
driver who would sit in a chair in his hotel room, eyes shut, and do a
few laps, moving arms and feet, and making the engine noises too.  it
was one of his ways of practicing, and he would consistently get the
timing of laps to within 1/10th sec. of his real lap times.  

today i was stuck in a boring meeting, and did the ring like this a
couple of times, but without steering and the noises :-) but both
times i 'woke up' at flugplatz.  when you're dreaming, do you always
wake up just as the car lands?  and if you don't?

martin.
--

Neil Rain

GPL my idiocy at 'Ring'

by Neil Rain » Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:00:00



> : The Ring just gets better and better the more you learn it - I can see
> : how you end up dreaming about it!

> indeed!  i get 8:30's at the ring but have never raced it properly
> (off line).  i'm currently mid-season in a championship, i won last
> night at silverstone, and tonight i get to face the ring.  i can't wait,
> but i'm also dreading it!

> odd practice note.  in carroll smith's books he tells a story of a
> driver who would sit in a chair in his hotel room, eyes shut, and do a
> few laps, moving arms and feet, and making the engine noises too.  it
> was one of his ways of practicing, and he would consistently get the
> timing of laps to within 1/10th sec. of his real lap times.

That reminds me of the (British) joke: "Why do Irish planes have
windscreen wipers on the inside?" ...

It also sounds like some kind of GPL-dementia - the ultimate fate for
those who spend too much time at the wheel!

Sam Seni

GPL my idiocy at 'Ring'

by Sam Seni » Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:00:00




>: The Ring just gets better and better the more you learn it - I can see
>: how you end up dreaming about it!

>indeed!  i get 8:30's at the ring but have never raced it properly
>(off line).  i'm currently mid-season in a championship, i won last
>night at silverstone, and tonight i get to face the ring.  i can't wait,
>but i'm also dreading it!  

I got down to 8:37.20 this week, still a fairly conservative lap, i.e.
minimizing the Flugplatz jump. I'm discovering that it's best to stay
in a lower gear in the uphill sections, watching the revs and not
shifting up until you have to. Also, learning to improve the jump
speed by increasing throttle just as it takes off, to land better. I,
too, run a tape of the ring thru my head when lying in bed. Congrats
on Silverstone win, I have not pulled that off yet!!  :  )
Sam

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