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Puzzled by Logitech MOMO behavior

Ice

Puzzled by Logitech MOMO behavior

by Ice » Mon, 03 Dec 2001 01:33:15

I have sold my good old LWFF, and bought the MOMO wheel. Installation (4.11
Wingman drivers) ended with an error, but the wheel seemed to be recognized
anyway. Still, I have some questions about its behavior:

1. The wheel doesn't calibrate like the LWFF did (auto movement from left to
right). Is this correct?

2. When connected (in WIndows), the wheel is very stiff and only one of the
two lights is on. The other light *only* comes on when you go to the
properties in the game controllers panel. The stiffness then also
disappears, and you can turn the wheel easily (FF also works). But as soon
as you leave this screen, the light is off again, and the stiffness is back.
I later loaded Colin McRae, and the wheel was ok there, btw (except for the
Force Feedback being a bit too strong for me!).

Somehow, the wheel's behavior it didn't seem ok to me. Can anyone comment on
this?

Thanks, Ice D

Bart Westr

Puzzled by Logitech MOMO behavior

by Bart Westr » Mon, 03 Dec 2001 01:48:18


Logitech support recommends you do this by hand (both wheel and pedals).
Also get the latest drivers from www.wingmanteam.com.

This is how it should be.

Bart Westra

Tim

Puzzled by Logitech MOMO behavior

by Tim » Mon, 03 Dec 2001 02:09:38

[snip]

The light on mine is only on during games and in the Control Panel
like you said. It also exhibits the resistance when not being used.
Sounds like everything is OK with yours.

Since you've had both wheels, how do you feel about the MOMO vs. the
old Wingman FF? I still have both, and despite the slop in the wheel
shaft on the old version, I think the feedback feels better.
The MOMO would have been great with the bearing shaft and the old
cable drive.

Tim

Ice

Puzzled by Logitech MOMO behavior

by Ice » Mon, 03 Dec 2001 05:09:07



> > Somehow, the wheel's behavior it didn't seem ok to me.
> This is how it should be.

Ok, thanks.

Ice D

Ice

Puzzled by Logitech MOMO behavior

by Ice » Mon, 03 Dec 2001 06:07:09



> Since you've had both wheels, how do you feel about the MOMO vs. the
> old Wingman FF? I still have both, and despite the slop in the wheel
> shaft on the old version, I think the feedback feels better.
> The MOMO would have been great with the bearing shaft and the old
> cable drive.

Well, it certainly feels different, but I find it hard to say whether it's
better or worse than the LWFF. I've only played Colin McRae (1) so far, and
I won't play other games untill I've build my new system (very soon). The
MOMO pedals are similar to the LWFF, except for the pivot point, which is a
good thing because you can sort of adjust the pressing angle with your toes.
I may put a squash ball under the brake pedal one day, but for now it's
alright by me (wouldn't know how anyway).

The wheel itself feels more luxurious than the LWFF, because of the leather
and the shape. The buttons are a bit harder to reach, but I'll get used to
that. The steering feels good (precise), and it's smooth all the way round.
You can feel that it's not cable-driven: I don't necessarily dislike that,
but I'll have get used to it some more (I'm sure I will). All in all, I do
like the MOMO wheel, and I have no regrets so far. But I can also understand
what you mean, if you prefer the old wheel. Something can be said for
that...

Ice D

Jack Ramb

Puzzled by Logitech MOMO behavior

by Jack Ramb » Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:16:21

alright by me (wouldn't know how anyway).<

It's been discussed here before, but the squash ball solution is HIGHLY
recommended! It's pretty simple: just open the case, pull the brake spring,
and drop in your squash ball. The round spring recess in the base holds the
ball beautifully. Amazingly, and perhaps amusingly, the diameter of the
squash ball matched the height of the spring perfectly. It's like they knew
we were coming. ;-)

The feel is superb. You can calibrate so that you really have to stand on it
to lock the wheels, and the pedal resistance is very progressive. Don't fail
to take advantage of the collection of the "gadget" utilities at the
Logitech Wingman site.

To me, the progressive feel is so nice that I'd be afraid to upgrade to the
new BRD pedals , for fear of not being able to reproduce it. But, then
again, BRD does have a 90-day return policy. Hmmm....

Jack Rambo

Helpful links:

New BRD pedals:
http://www.interactiveracing.com/products/wheels/brdsim_speed7.asp

MOMO beta drivers v4.11c:
http://www.wingmanteam.com/Latest_Software/beta_drivers/beta_drivers.htm

Wingman gadgets:
http://www.wingmanteam.com/Latest_Software/Gadgets/gadgets.htm

Ice

Puzzled by Logitech MOMO behavior

by Ice » Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:26:04


> It's been discussed here before, but the squash ball solution is HIGHLY
> recommended! It's pretty simple: just open the case, pull the brake
spring,
> and drop in your squash ball. The round spring recess in the base holds
the
> ball beautifully. Amazingly, and perhaps amusingly, the diameter of the
> squash ball matched the height of the spring perfectly. It's like they
knew
> we were coming. ;-)

> The feel is superb. You can calibrate so that you really have to stand on
it
> to lock the wheels, and the pedal resistance is very progressive. Don't
fail
> to take advantage of the collection of the "gadget" utilities at the
> Logitech Wingman site.

> To me, the progressive feel is so nice that I'd be afraid to upgrade to
the
> new BRD pedals , for fear of not being able to reproduce it. But, then
> again, BRD does have a 90-day return policy. Hmmm....

Thanks for your recommendation, I'm definitely going to give it a try. I
have a few more questions:

- Is there any specific type of squash ball I need for this?

- Do I need to use the Clear Calibration utility from Logitech (or anything
else)?

- How will the Clear Calibration utility affect my other controllers? (MS
Freestyle Pro, MS Force Feedback 2)

Cheers,

Ice D

Jack Ramb

Puzzled by Logitech MOMO behavior

by Jack Ramb » Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:29:01

I just grabbed a few of the only type they had at my local Sports
Authority...Dunlop  Revelation Pro...two yellow dots for those for whom this
means something.  I like the feel.

else)?...How will the Clear Calibration utility affect my other controllers?

I'm feeling my way in the dark here, probably like most. I used the Clear
Calibration utility early on, with no obvious harmful side effects. If
anyone knows better, please chime in!

Jack


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