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>Hi!
>I have used Greger's setups and I think they are very good as a base to
>develop further. Greger has a unique driving style, infact his style is
>different from all the other drivers and is perfect for GPL. He has a
>fantastic way of keeping the rearwheels on the ground under braking and
>believe me it's possible if you are  VERY good with the pedals.
>His setups are very soft and can be tricky to drive, but for me I just
>stiffen up the car a bit and move the brakebalance 2 clicks forward and the
>setup is better than I can do myself. I've seen a couple of new guys which
>attack the corners in the more "common" way and I think they have to work
>alot harder to keep the car under control.
>Take a look at the two best laps at Osterreichring and study the difference
>in attacking the corner. Fantastic drive with two very different driving
>styles.

>Just my thoughts...

>you drive that Lotus setup(1:03.xx) that's on your web
>> page?  I downloaded it. No, I didn't expect to do a 1:03, but I figured
>that I
>> could at LEAST beat my previous best time of 1:07.61(set with Ferrari).
>> The rear wheels kept trying to pass the fronts under braking.  That car is
>WAY
>> too tempermental(in my hands, anyway).  That experience left me drained...
>I'm
>> amazed that anyone could control that beast.  You really ARE an
>alien...<g>

>> Eldred

> You're right, Greger could probably keep the car on the track
> irrelevant of what setup he drives with I think, and so can I for that
> matter although of course I am nowhere near as fast.
> But I tend to think that his setups are actually a bit too stiff for
> me and wonder how he gets traction out of his setups (osring in
> particular). I tend to always go for the softer possible setup as I
> generally concluded it gives me more traction. With Greger setup I
> find it hard to control oversteer instead of understeer.
> Wolfgang Woeger setups make for a very stable car, I think this is
> because he uses a joystick and it is trickier to get the car straight
> exiting corners. I have analyzed a few of the fastboys setups quite a
> lot and I must have done hundreds of laps using them, and even broke
> into the 1.27's at Monza with the ones I used. But it was always a
> struggle to be near the limit at every lap. So I carefully noted what
> characteristics mad it easier for me drive on each setup and developed
> my own setups. Of course I had to do a lot of reading about it, but
> once you start understanding what those tweaks mean on the racing
> track things don't look so daunting. But its all about having the
> patience of going to the track and only coming out once you fully
> understand, say for example the effects of understeer. I am still
> lapping at around the same times, although slightly faster, but now I
> can concentrate on exiting corners faster, since the car is easier to
> drive. I was never satisfied with my racing line and the reason why I
> couldn't change it is because I had to adapt my driving style to the
> setup instead of the other way around. My favorite setups came from
> doing a lot of laps with the default setup and then analyzing each and
> every aspect that makes me slower compared to the fastboys setups,
> then changed one thing a the time until I arrived to my own setup,
> which in fact is not dramatically different from the fastboy's setups.
> Anyway in my view, finding a way of creating your own setups, however
> you do it is the way.

>I had exactly the same impression of this setup.
>I am not being gullible am I, and the setup is a joke , or are these experts
>just really doing a no compromise setup that crashes 9 times out of ten to
>get one good lap.

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>Nope, have a look at a replay in GPLdump. He might do 100 laps at
>1:03.xx (inbetween stopping for refuelling) just to shave that 1/10th
>off. ***y amazing.

>Rafe Mc

>On Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:30:51 +1100, "Stephen Colbourne"

>>I had exactly the same impression of this setup.
>>I am not being gullible am I, and the setup is a joke , or are these experts
>>just really doing a no compromise setup that crashes 9 times out of ten to
>>get one good lap.

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>Yesterday someone told me about the importancy of tire pressure, that
>you loose grip after 6-7 laps with most of the hotlapper's setups. I
>allways drove about 15 laps while hotlapping. I studied the replays of
>Woeger and Huttu in GPLDump, and saw that they go back to the pit
>after every 6 or 7 laps.
>Talking about setups, yesterday I tried the Monza setup from Ian Lake.
>This must be one of the most stable hotlapper-setups out there! Great
>basic setup for adjusting it to your own driving style. With Lake's
>setup, I have so much more grip at both lesmo's and in Curve Granda
>than with Woeger, Huttu's or Grandis' setups. Only at the Ascari
>Lake's setup just gives enough grip. Have to work on that one.

>Andre

>>Nope, have a look at a replay in GPLdump. He might do 100 laps at
>>1:03.xx (inbetween stopping for refuelling) just to shave that 1/10th
>>off. ***y amazing.

>>Rafe Mc

>>On Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:30:51 +1100, "Stephen Colbourne"

>>>I had exactly the same impression of this setup.
>>>I am not being gullible am I, and the setup is a joke , or are these experts
>>>just really doing a no compromise setup that crashes 9 times out of ten to
>>>get one good lap.

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>I used I.lake's setup for Monza for a long time and it it makes for a
>very well balanced car, I did a 1.27.00 with it after about ten
>thousand laps or so.
>But your'e absolutely right, after 6 laps I.Lake's setup runs out of
>grip. And so do the others as far as I am concerned.
>have you tried his setup for the Ring, I think is excellent. Also G.
>Hutu's setups for Kyalami has to be the best setup I have seen for
>that circuit, even I can find grip now in Kyalami after a couple of
>tweaks. But I thought he got the gear ratio spot on for second gear, I
>used to always end up blowing the engine after a few laps after all
>that foot down in 2nd gear you have to use in Kyalami.

>Cheers.

>Mauricio.

>>Yesterday someone told me about the importancy of tire pressure, that
>>you loose grip after 6-7 laps with most of the hotlapper's setups. I
>>allways drove about 15 laps while hotlapping. I studied the replays of
>>Woeger and Huttu in GPLDump, and saw that they go back to the pit
>>after every 6 or 7 laps.
>>Talking about setups, yesterday I tried the Monza setup from Ian Lake.
>>This must be one of the most stable hotlapper-setups out there! Great
>>basic setup for adjusting it to your own driving style. With Lake's
>>setup, I have so much more grip at both lesmo's and in Curve Granda
>>than with Woeger, Huttu's or Grandis' setups. Only at the Ascari
>>Lake's setup just gives enough grip. Have to work on that one.

>>Andre

>>>Nope, have a look at a replay in GPLdump. He might do 100 laps at
>>>1:03.xx (inbetween stopping for refuelling) just to shave that 1/10th
>>>off. ***y amazing.

>>>Rafe Mc

>>>On Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:30:51 +1100, "Stephen Colbourne"

>>>>I had exactly the same impression of this setup.
>>>>I am not being gullible am I, and the setup is a joke , or are these experts
>>>>just really doing a no compromise setup that crashes 9 times out of ten to
>>>>get one good lap.

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>Mauricio, I remember your post about breaking the 1:28 for the first
>time, not too long ago, maybe a month I think? Superb to hear that you
>allready drove a 1:27.00 lap!! I broke the 1:28 also a month ago,
>1:27.96, but haven't been able to drive into the 1:27 since that time
>during practice. I did in online racing, but that doesn't count for me
>(neverknow if it might have been a warp...).
>Since breaking the 1:28, I switched from Woeger's setup to the setup
>of Leonardo Grandis, and modified it a little. It was better than
>Woeger's for the Ascari and the Para, but it was only yesterday that I
>realized that I lost so much time at the Lesmo's with Grandis' setup.
>Not that it's the fault of the setup, Grandis drive a 1.26.78 with
>this setup, it just doesnt suit my driving style.
>Yesterday, I tried Ian Lake's setup, had a blast, drove easily very
>low 1:28 laps, but I have to get used and tune his setup a little
>further. Such a stable setup, and such a beautiful clean driving style
>he has compared to Woeger or Huttu. Allthough I enjoy watching Woeger
>and Huttu's replays very much, it's allmost insane what they can do
>with their cars!

>Andre