to leave this NG. Any further discussion here would be inappropriate.
I think the discussion so far has been pretty beneficial. Some folks
tend to get their collective panties in a wad, but mostly, it has been
good for folks to talk about what they want to get out of their online
pickup racing experience, how it might improve, etc.
"David G Fisher" <davegfnos...@home.com> wrote in message <news:cqD59.142641$yc3.6167250@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
> Eldred has already said he's doing the invite list starting this coming
> weekend. So if the consensus is no invite list, then what happens? :-o
> If there is going to be one, then Tom's setup would be the way to go.
> As I've said before, I'm right in line with you. A small crowd in a few
> threads managed to create a problem where it didn't really exist.
> David G Fisher
> "Larry" <n...@none.com> wrote in message
> news:lVC59.38190$Pb.1049994@news2.east.cox.net...
> > Ok, I'll get to the point.
> > Until three weeks ago, RASCAR was a great place to race and was a great
> > time. It still is, really.
> > Then, two events (including this one) have come about to hose up the whole
> > thing.
> > Here's what I think we should do. It's a simple two-step plan:
> > 1. Remember the way everything was prior to the last race Eldred hosted.
> > 2. Return all thinking and attitudes to that era.
> > Then we can go racing and having fun again.
> > In short. We don't need no new shit.
> > -Larry
> > "Tom Pabst" <tmpa...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03...
> > > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point.
> > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and
> > > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my
> own
> > > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's
> great
> > > too.
> > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun**
> > > 1. No points tabulation from race to race.
> > > [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend. If
> that
> > > were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don't run
> in
> > > leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance to
> be
> > > certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCAR
> does
> > > this already.]
> > > 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at least
> once
> > > a week, with/against people I've known for a long time.
> > > [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated my schedule
> > > doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always be run
> > > when I wanted to get that fix.]
> > > 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that I have
> less
> > > experience on.
> > > [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my
> > > experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, how
> some
> of
> > > the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pin down
> my
> > > weaknesses.]
> > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun**
> > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers.
> > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing.
> > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an
> > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winning
> or
> > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not
> racing.]
> > > **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (and
> avoid
> > > the not fun)?**
> > > 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same
> > > time -:).....).
> > > 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....the
> other
> a
> > > "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now).
> > > 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event.
> > > [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make an entry
> > > that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require
> > > his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On
> > > Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race, someone
> who
> > > is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will be
> "invited"
> > > to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list of the
> > > names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race that
> coming
> > > weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by
> > > virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As the
> weekend
> > > approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a full
> field
> of
> > > RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the
> > > weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a
> > > requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next person
> takes
> > > over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time
> > > consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times.
> > > 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all who
> visit
> > > r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race).
> > > 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wants to
> run
> > > in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited to the
> > > "pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but can make
> the
> > > "novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to run in
> the
> > > "novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice drivers gain
> > > experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance to view
> and
> > > observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who is running
> > > well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the pro
> race.
> > > No?
> > > There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described above (as
> I
> > > see it...others may exist too):
> > > **Advantages**
> > > 1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced drivers race
> > > (and fun).
> > > 2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run
> > > in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood to
> teach....the
> > > pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of one of or
> > > more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice race if
> they
> > > are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend.
> > > 3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since they are
> not
> > > under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with their rookie
> > > mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment as well,
> IMHO.
> > > You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....and that
> would
> > > be good for sim racing.
> > > 4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race each
> other......you've
> > > just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you want to
> do
> > > it.
> > > 5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving to remain
> on
> > > that list because of their on-track actual performance, their name can
> > > quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made of it.
> > > 6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to
> > > practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would have
> thought
> > > it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to the pro
> race!
> > > Way cool....as a matter of fact.
> > > 7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" that as
> new
> > > people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simply
> registering
> > > their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they want a
> pro
> > > race invite by additionally giving their email address.
> > > **Disadvantages**
> > > 1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCAR race
> on
> > > Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give
> (IMHO).
> > > In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming
> > > (handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner,
> writing
> > > the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on
> > > Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That would be
> a
> > > shame.
> > > So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you can think
> of?
> > > Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your for this or
> > > against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on.
> > > TP
