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by **NeedToKno** » Tue, 21 Oct 1997 04:00:00

> Was just checking out all the features and screen shots of C.A.R.T PR and
> WOW!Papy is going to have to get on the ball if thier going to beat this
> one.Thier little SODA off road racing and the so called Grand Prix
> legends,just aren't going to cut it in my book.

GP Legends looks great to me. If it drives like N2 and ICR2 with more
wheelspin/brake locking and has an onboard perspective it should be
fun. After purchasing Power F1, Formula 1(both losers) recently I can
only hope that Microsoft can come close to the driving model of ICR2. I
agree that CART has the looks though, we'll just have to wait for the
feeling though.

ps X-Car was poop also!
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by **Getz** » Wed, 22 Oct 1997 04:00:00

In my humble opinion as a beta tester of CART PR, I can tell you that
the physics are much better than ICR2, which I like and have played
extensively. In fact, I would say that the physics might be better
than N2 and GP2, the current champs.

There is quite a bit to say on this, but I'll just throw in two
examples for now: the front wheels actually turn the car (including
the computer cars), rather than the car rotating around a central
axis. This gives a very realistic feel, and look. You might have to
see it in action to appreciate the difference.

It also includes rain (finally) and you can choose rain tires. It is
wild driving in the rain without them!

Of course, you guys (and gals) will have to form your own opinions,
and I look forward to hearing them. The demo should be out relatively
soon.

As always, for more info check out the web site shown below.

Jim Getzen

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by **Randy BO** » Wed, 22 Oct 1997 04:00:00

What I'd like to know is how well CART PR will run on my machine
(P133+Rendition). I'm happy to upgrade to a Rendition V2100 chip for much
improved Direct3D performance + backwards compatibility, but I'd like to know
if the testers are busy using P200+ MMX machines with 3dfx boards in them.

Randy
Randy Magruder
Staff Writer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com/

by **Brian R. Tat** » Wed, 22 Oct 1997 04:00:00

> Was just checking out all the features and screen shots of C.A.R.T PR and
> WOW!Papy is going to have to get on the ball if thier going to beat this
> one.Thier little SODA off road racing and the so called Grand Prix
> legends,just aren't going to cut it in my book.

It does look good but I would wait before saying it will kick GPL's
tail. I know Sentell and the guy is a damn perfectionist because he was
once one of us....a lowly tester/game player that loved sims. I think
the two will be so differant that they will be hard to compare.

I'll take my hat off to Microsoft because the screen shots look great
but that all I can tell right now. I have seen alot of screen shots and
sometimes they don't measure up to game play. Time will tell but I'm
like you, I can't wait to see it in action.

Brian

by **Brian VanderReyde** » Thu, 23 Oct 1997 04:00:00

> >In my humble opinion as a beta tester of CART PR, I can tell you that
> >the physics are much better than ICR2, which I like and have played
> >extensively. In fact, I would say that the physics might be better
> >than N2 and GP2, the current champs.

> Well, ICR2 isn't exactly a new product, but still is an awesome sim.
> I think hats off to Papyrus for having a 3 <or so> year old Sim that
> still is competitive with the latest and greatest.

> Plus, as good as CART PR looks, it's still being sold by MS. It'll
> have to be AWESOMELY good for me to buy it :)

Maybe you'll get a free copy...

> Rich
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by **Tony Joh** » Thu, 23 Oct 1997 04:00:00

>Nice to see you here more regularly anyway, hope they'e keeping you
>busy developing what will keep us busy in the future (or something
>like that...!)

You guys have noooooooooo idea... it's got ME drooling, I'll tell you
that!

Thanks for the welcome back.
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by **Yoshihiko Minam** » Thu, 23 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Hi Getzen,

I wanted to read these words! Recentry products are just a acade
games.( Moto Racer, IRC etc)
I want new Simulators!

I could understand physics and situational represations are great.
Well, How about AI cars? We'll be able to do side by side battle with
them?

Nascar2 and GP2 have good AI cars. Running with 20 or 40 cars are really
exciting. of course, Online race are exciting too.

Yoshihiko MInami

by **ccorpor** » Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:00:00

R:

Relative to the rest of the racing market their extrodinary. Is it perfect?
No. Is it better than almost anything? Yes.

Q.B.M.

by **The Black Dea** » Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:00:00

>Relative to the rest of the racing market their extrodinary. Is it perfect?
>No. Is it better than almost anything? Yes.

N2 AI is FAR from perfect. Set the ai 101% or greater and try to pass
them. They will always cut down on you if any part of their car is
still visible through the right side of your windshield. It's really
pathetic if you ask me. So the AI guy at Papy quit. That is not an
excuse for them to just ignore fixing the ai totally. A number of
people in the sim community seem to be able to do a better job than
Papy at programming the AI. Perhaps Papy should look to hire one of
these chaps.

Blight,
The Black Death

by **Ronald Stoe** » Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:00:00

> >> NASCAR 2 has good AIs?? Hmm.. I really don't think so. The AIs are the
> >"dumbest"
> >> I have ever seen from Papy... If the N2 AIs are so good, then why the AI
> >> updates??

> >> The AIs in N2 are blind!! Especially when you are underneath them..

> >> GP2 on the other hand, they have "brains"..

> >> Ciao

> >> Julian Data

> >R:

> >Relative to the rest of the racing market their extrodinary. Is it perfect?
> >No. Is it better than almost anything? Yes.

> >Q.B.M.

> Are they N2 AIs perfect than other sims, if you are comparing them to GP2 or
> even SODA?? HAH! NOPE! Don't get my wrong, I love Papy sims. Yet the AI still
> need some improvements. They still race they way did in N1. They don't challenge
> you. When you pass them, they just "drop back".

> So where's the competition with the AIs?? Is it just a pass and that is it? Or
> when they try to come up on you, you can just stay in the line or even "slow"
> down. They don't pass on the outside. Again where's the challenge???

> I hope N3 really gets a facelift and an AI improvement. I look forward in
> purchasing another Papy sim..; )

...and they are completely blind in the pits. Just 20 minutes ago one of
the guys followed me into the pits at Talladega (he was smoking, I
needed
tires) and smashed into my back. Oh, and I put in all the patches...

l8er
ronny

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by **Brian R. Tat** » Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Hey Julian. Don't really understand this statement. I think the AI in
N2 is better because of this because they will make you back off. If
they AI goes high and gives me the line every time I sneeze near him,
then I would rather just drive by myself. I like the idea that the AI
will fight me for the position and If don't get "really" under him, I
better back out and follow. I like it better. There are other
weaknesses in the AI but I wanted to address this one in paticular.

Brian

by **duncan r mcle** » Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:00:00

>> NASCAR 2 has good AIs?? Hmm.. I really don't think so. The AIs are
the
>"dumbest"
>> I have ever seen from Papy... If the N2 AIs are so good, then why
the AI
>> updates??

>> The AIs in N2 are blind!! Especially when you are underneath them..

>> GP2 on the other hand, they have "brains"..

>> Ciao

>> Julian Data

>R:

>Relative to the rest of the racing market their extrodinary. Is it
perfect?
>No. Is it better than almost anything? Yes.

>Q.B.M.

Agreed. Try...say around 112% (+) difficulty. Then let me know how
'dumb' the AI is. Unlike N1...they don't just get faster...cheers...d.

by **duncan r mcle** » Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Death) writes:

>>Relative to the rest of the racing market their extrodinary. Is it
perfect?
>>No. Is it better than almost anything? Yes.

>N2 AI is FAR from perfect. Set the ai 101% or greater and try to pass
>them. They will always cut down on you if any part of their car is
>still visible through the right side of your windshield. It's really
>pathetic if you ask me.

<snip>.........kinda sounds like RACING to me. cheers...d.

by **The Black Dea** » Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:00:00

>Death) writes:

>>>Relative to the rest of the racing market their extrodinary. Is it
>perfect?
>>>No. Is it better than almost anything? Yes.

>>N2 AI is FAR from perfect. Set the ai 101% or greater and try to pass
>>them. They will always cut down on you if any part of their car is
>>still visible through the right side of your windshield. It's really
>>pathetic if you ask me.
><snip>.........kinda sounds like RACING to me. cheers...d.

Rarely does any real racer come down on you when you are half way
alongside him (coughJeffGordonahemahg). All the AI cars in N2 do
this.

Kill,
The Black DEATH

by **ccorpor** » Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:00:00

NASCAR 2 AI:

R:

I still stand by my words. You guys aren't taking the whole racing genre in
scope as I said above. Heck yes there is room for improvement, a lot. But
still it beats the medium for racing AI in this industry.

So what is the consensus for the best AI add on's? Thanks.

Q.B.M.

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