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It depends on the track, but with Pocono I had to put it at 105% because
they were way too slow in the corners at any other setting. With the other
tracks we've done, I think I've usually had it at 95% to 100%.

David G Fisher

 I should of suggested that it may be a good idea to experiment with that
linear/non linear slider at a track like Daytona. Put the ideal line on with
the "r" key, and do some laps at different settings while trying to hold
that line as best as possible. Check the replay and see which setting you
were best at.

Dave

the no. of laps someone needs depends on his talent (the ability to
instinctively understand what the car does and what he has to do to make it
do what he wants it to do), intelligence (the ability to learn - to
recognize what he's doing wrong or where he can improve and how), his
physical disposition (fast reactions, good coordination etc.), and... who he
wants to compete against and what he wants to achieve.

Most important is, though, that it's fun.

Achim

Mine seems to be just the opposite.  Something is wrong here...I'll keep
trying.

95%?!?  Man, I'm still getting lapped just at *85%*...  I can't run ANY track
at 90% or higher, and expect to stay with the pack.

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Having a structured plan to reach a goal is key.

A replay analyzer is a good tool for figuring out where you are losing
time relative to another car or your own car on a slow vs. a fast lap.
 Here's hoping tje GPLRA folks make one for NR2002 soon.

I can't imagine that driving around without a goal or strategy would
be very much fun.  I'm either racing, or trying to get ready for a
race.  Besides, life is too busy (for me anyway) to run around just
killing time.

G

Try not to think about braking while you are in the braking zone.
Think more about being at the right speed at turn in and being on your
preferred line.  If you're thinking about braking in the braking zone,
it's probably too late, and you aren't able to concentrate fully on
what's really important: corner entry speed and line.

This is one area where muscle memory will pay off, knowing
subconsciously how much brake pedal movement is needed to slow
efficiently.  Having a good controller is essential, as is making sure
your body and the controller remain in exactly the same relative
position at all times.

Most people (myself included) have a hard time picking up speed cues
from a 2D surface.  The other benefit of getting a lot of seat time is
after a while you can start to differentiate smaller and smaller
variations in speed.  It really is hard though.  A 5mph difference at
50mph (what we are most familiar with in the real world) is 10%, but a
5mph difference at 165mph is only 3%.  Subtract binocular and
peripheral vision and it makes it even harder.

Again it is essential that you sit in relatively the same position
every time to make this easier for your eyes and brain to digest.

I suspect that the people who are able to get up to speed faster are
just better are perceiving speed cues from a 2D visual... for whatever
reason, practice, natural "ability", whatever.

HTH,
Gerald

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Yeah, Maxx said the same thing.  Hard to change, though.

I have REAL problems judging speeds at slower um, speeds.  Boy, THAT was
redundant<g>.  Things like the leadup to the hairpins at Rouen and Mosport.
Especially at Rouen.  A typical scenario is this:  I hit the brakes.  It looks
like I'm going too slow so I ease off the brakes, or in some cases hit the gas
again.  Now, I realize that I'm going too fast, and have to jam on the brakes.
After several laps of this, I'm now gun-shy and just coast up to where I
*think* I should nail the brakes.  Not conducive for quick laptimes, I admit.
It's tougher at Rouen because I have to turn sharply while braking, and that
causes the car to get unstable.  So, I can't maintain the same brake pressure
consistently.  It's a little easier(but not much) at Snetterton67.  Because the
braking zone is straight, trial and error proceeds quicker.

Not a problem.

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This overthinking comes from age I guess. It HAS to be complex. An older
simmer also doesn't want to be thought of as playing a kids game by others
so he insists to himself and his wife/girlfriend/friends that it's more
complex than it really is.

Anyway, I still think most of your problems in N2002 are with controller
setup.

David G Fisher

True in principle, but not true in every case.  That is, I agree that
there is theoretically less time to be gained by working on braking, but
if someone has a specific problem getting their braking down there can
often be lots of time to gain.  You really have to use a replay analyzer
to figure out whether it's worth working on braking or not.  I know
working on braking points has helped me a whole lot at some tracks,
simply because I didn't trust the car or my technique enough to brake as
late as I could.  Also, when someone is braking too early it is often a
symptom of some other problem, like a difficulty in hitting the turn-in
properly (that has been my typical problem).  So I don't think one can
ignore the importance of braking until one has first determined through
telemetry or replay analysis that one is at least close to the right
braking point.  I'm speaking not only from personal experience, but also
from examples in the Skip Barber book "Going Faster!".  After spending a
great deal of time explaining how braking is the last thing you have to
work on, in the chapter on using telemetry the author uses examples of a
guy whose only real problem was that he was braking too soon and too
lightly due to bad heel and toe technique.  The driver was losing quite
a bit of time because of it.

It goes together really.  Talented young punks may come out fast and
blow everybody away initially, but if they never slow down long enough
to learn something they never progress any farther.  Analysis is
necessary in order to figure out how to do things, synthesis is
necessary in order to ever actually use that knowledge.  Or, to put it a
little less cryptically, you need to learn what is necessary to improve
and then you need to forget what you learned and just do it.

You don't have to take the corner that way,. I think you make it harder on
yourself. I know this is just one, or rather two corners, and you cannot
aply this at all of them. I don?t brake while turning ( before the haipin at
Rouen that is). I used to do that, but know I'm actually on the gas through
the bend before instead, and that setles the car down. Brake a little before
the bend, turn in early get on the gas to settle the car down and then brake
hard when you go straigt again. Of course on the gas doesn't mean full
throtle. ;-) This way, the corner becomes less of a gamble. Much less
actually, because I have much better control. I guess if you are not having
trouble doing it your way consistantly, it means you are losing a lot of
time.

I havn't actually seen any of your replays, but heard you have a reputation
of being very very smooth (and not so fast, but pretty consistant) Maybe
its time you put a little "screech" in the tires ?

Joakim

If my tires are screeching there, it means I'm backwards heading towards the
fence.  I know what you mean for other turns, though.  I just haven't been able
to do it.  If my tires are squealing, it's because I'm out of control.  I
haven't been able to figure out 'controlled sliding'. :(

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I know that when I DL'ed some of the setups from the supposedly fast
guys out there, it was no way I could drive those consistently, and it
was not very enjoyable at all

Allison Hine had some setups that was said to be very stable

Personally I always found the Lotus and especially the Brabham to be a
bit of a handful, especially in tight corners due to the amount of
torque their engines produce at lower revs, the Eagle and the Honda were
my fav cars, fairly stable cars with relatively long wheel base and not
too much torque at low revs to upset the car, the Honda in particular
was easy to drive, but then again I could never seem to get really good
lap times with it and they were no where near my Lotus times, but then
again I didn't spin out so much either :-)

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