rec.autos.simulators

> > > > Thanks.
> > > > Of course I'm interested. I just wondered why you bothered
responding
> > > > with just a "yep". Same goes for D.H.

> > >   your question in the subject was a 'minimalist' question so I
answered
> > > with the same amount of brevity and I also included a dose of wit and
> > style
> > > and accuracy at no extra charge.  You asked a simple question, I GAVE
> you
> > a
> > > simple answer.

> > > There has been known cheats for ages.  One simple cheat is the weather
> > > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than one
> in
> > > hot sunshine.  So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny
> race
> > > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower)
> > > conditions.
> > >    Sierra forums had several periods of users caught with more
> > > sophisticated cheating,  the whole reason of including cd keys was to
> make
> > > penalties more enforceable.  Several users have been banned over the
> > years.
> > >     The private leagues with 3rd party cheat utilities have often
caught
> > > noncompliant cars.  It's known, it's real, and it has been largely
> ignored
> > > publically by Sierra.
> > >     So my answer stands for your enlightenment....yes.

> > > dave henrie

> > Thanks for the info Dave. At Dega I qualify around 50.250 - 50. 500 on a
> > consistent basis and that's middle of the pack at best. What really
> bothers
> > me is drafting with a car and a single car 2 seconds behind us blows our
> > doors off. Now I know why. I use in***pit with no aids. In fact the
only
> > way I can drive is with the in***pit view.

> > Mark....gauger on line......I hope I haven't wrecked you.

>   Don't get to e***d you guys; 99.9% of the time, the other guy IS just
> faster, better, etc.  Cheating happens, but don't blow it out of
proportion.

> >  Judging oval racing by Sierra is like judging road racing by Vroc;
> > neither
> > are a good impression.  I have no idea what happened in the example
given
> > above, since I wasn't there, but just because you can't do it,
> > irregardless
> > of who's setup you use, doesn't mean it was cheating.

> Having experienced VROC for many years I found the Sierra servers a
complete
> surprise. Full of kids swearing at each other and wrecking before the
start
> line. I was genuinely shocked as I had never experienced anything like it
in
> sim racing, FPS yes but not sim racing.

> That is not to say GPL pick up races are perfect examples of gentlemen
> racers and yes I have seen a few episodes at T1 Monza and news of
deliberate
> wreckers gets around but they are few and far between in my own
experience.

> Pick up races have an element of risk but I wouldn't tar VROC with the
same
> brush as Sierra pick up races.

> Cheers
> Tony

>>> Thanks for the info Dave. At Dega I qualify around 50.250 - 50. 500 on a
>>> consistent basis and that's middle of the pack at best. What really
>>bothers
>>> me is drafting with a car and a single car 2 seconds behind us blows our
>>> doors off. Now I know why. I use in***pit with no aids. In fact the
>>> only
>>> way I can drive is with the in***pit view.

>>> Mark....gauger on line......I hope I haven't wrecked you.

>>  Don't get to e***d you guys; 99.9% of the time, the other guy IS just
>>faster, better, etc.  Cheating happens, but don't blow it out of
>>proportion.

> I'd like to see the setup which allows you to go that fast at Dega.
> Even the setups I've tried from the likes of setup gurus such as
> Gregor Huttu don't go that fast (tho they are certainly faster than
> the default "fast" and "Jasper" setups).

> That, and the wreckers, and the overall boring nature of plate
> ovals (now that I've become a pretty decent road racer), is
> why I don't race ovals on Sierra anymore...

>         John DiFool

>> I'd like to see the setup which allows you to go that fast at Dega.
>> Even the setups I've tried from the likes of setup gurus such as
>> Gregor Huttu don't go that fast (tho they are certainly faster than
>> the default "fast" and "Jasper" setups).

>> That, and the wreckers, and the overall boring nature of plate
>> ovals (now that I've become a pretty decent road racer), is
>> why I don't race ovals on Sierra anymore...

>>          John DiFool

>  Judging oval racing by Sierra is like judging road racing by Vroc; neither
>are a good impression.  I have no idea what happened in the example given
>above, since I wasn't there, but just because you can't do it, irregardless
>of who's setup you use, doesn't mean it was cheating.

> > > There has been known cheats for ages.  One simple cheat is the weather
> > > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than one
> in
> > > hot sunshine.  So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny
> race
> > > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower)
> > > conditions.

> >     Good to know about this stuff. But only an idiot would even consider
> > this in any reputable league. A quick check of top speed and it's all
> over.

>   Not really, especially in an open setup league.

> > > > There has been known cheats for ages.  One simple cheat is the
weather
> > > > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than
one
> > in
> > > > hot sunshine.  So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny
> > race
> > > > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more
horsepower)
> > > > conditions.

> > >     Good to know about this stuff. But only an idiot would even
consider
> > > this in any reputable league. A quick check of top speed and it's all
> > over.

> >   Not really, especially in an open setup league.

>     Yes, i suppose if they were subtle it would be hard to prove - this
> stuff not detected by Replay analyser? Or picked up on a Sierra server?