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Is there cheating in N2003?

tang

Is there cheating in N2003?

by tang » Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:44:31



moto gp this weekend in Qatar,brand new circuit only completed last week.
overnight after qualifying Rossi`s crew were caught doing burnouts on a
scooter on his grid spot :o) Biaggis`s crew were caught watering and
scrubbing with a brush his grid spot(the circuit is in the dessert!)
both were given 6 second penalties and started at the back.Rossi passed
half the field going into turn 1 on lap 1 !!! that guy is a god !! and
rather cheeky as well :o)

JP

Is there cheating in N2003?

by JP » Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:43:04

  No, there we have you completely twisting words around.

  It's called a joke, check a dictionary if needed for what that is.


> There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "big
boys"
> do? Not likely.



> >  Hehe, true.



> >> That's what makes the game so realistic.  The real life big boys cheat
> > too.





> >> >> >  yep.

> >> >> I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub.
> >> >> Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ?

> >> >  Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court.  I
> >> > have
> >> > no
> >> > names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't care
> >> > less.

> >> >  Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked.   Anyone
with
> > an
> >> > ounce of common sense knows that.

Tiny Lun

Is there cheating in N2003?

by Tiny Lun » Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:55:40

A joke? Where is the laughter?

Joke - a device for expressing humor that employs a setup which contains a
decoy assumption to misdirect the audience into accepting a bogus 1st story;
and a punch which contains a reinterpretation which creates a 2nd story that
shatters the decoy assumption


>  No, there we have you completely twisting words around.

>  It's called a joke, check a dictionary if needed for what that is.



>> There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "big
> boys"
>> do? Not likely.



>> >  Hehe, true.



>> >> That's what makes the game so realistic.  The real life big boys cheat
>> > too.





>> >> >> >  yep.

>> >> >> I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub.
>> >> >> Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ?

>> >> >  Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court.  I
>> >> > have
>> >> > no
>> >> > names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't care
>> >> > less.

>> >> >  Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked.   Anyone
> with
>> > an
>> >> > ounce of common sense knows that.

JP

Is there cheating in N2003?

by JP » Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:02:41

    lol, the laughter is whenever you post, oh clueless one.


> A joke? Where is the laughter?

> Joke - a device for expressing humor that employs a setup which contains a
> decoy assumption to misdirect the audience into accepting a bogus 1st
story;
> and a punch which contains a reinterpretation which creates a 2nd story
that
> shatters the decoy assumption



> >  No, there we have you completely twisting words around.

> >  It's called a joke, check a dictionary if needed for what that is.



> >> There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "big
> > boys"
> >> do? Not likely.



> >> >  Hehe, true.



> >> >> That's what makes the game so realistic.  The real life big boys
cheat
> >> > too.





> >> >> >> >  yep.

> >> >> >> I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub.
> >> >> >> Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ?

> >> >> >  Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court.
I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > no
> >> >> > names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't care
> >> >> > less.

> >> >> >  Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked.   Anyone
> > with
> >> > an
> >> >> > ounce of common sense knows that.

Tiny Lun

Is there cheating in N2003?

by Tiny Lun » Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:02:01

A pleasure to entertain you.

>    lol, the laughter is whenever you post, oh clueless one.



>> A joke? Where is the laughter?

>> Joke - a device for expressing humor that employs a setup which contains
>> a
>> decoy assumption to misdirect the audience into accepting a bogus 1st
> story;
>> and a punch which contains a reinterpretation which creates a 2nd story
> that
>> shatters the decoy assumption



>> >  No, there we have you completely twisting words around.

>> >  It's called a joke, check a dictionary if needed for what that is.



>> >> There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "big
>> > boys"
>> >> do? Not likely.



>> >> >  Hehe, true.



>> >> >> That's what makes the game so realistic.  The real life big boys
> cheat
>> >> > too.





>> >> >> >> >  yep.

>> >> >> >> I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub.
>> >> >> >> Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ?

>> >> >> >  Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court.
> I
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > no
>> >> >> > names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't
>> >> >> > care
>> >> >> > less.

>> >> >> >  Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked.   Anyone
>> > with
>> >> > an
>> >> >> > ounce of common sense knows that.

Rich

Is there cheating in N2003?

by Rich » Tue, 05 Oct 2004 05:53:35




> > Thanks.
> > Of course I'm interested. I just wondered why you bothered responding
> > with just a "yep". Same goes for D.H.

>   your question in the subject was a 'minimalist' question so I answered
> with the same amount of brevity and I also included a dose of wit and
style
> and accuracy at no extra charge.  You asked a simple question, I GAVE you
a
> simple answer.

> There has been known cheats for ages.  One simple cheat is the weather
> cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than one in
> hot sunshine.  So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny race
> but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower)
> conditions.
>    Sierra forums had several periods of users caught with more
> sophisticated cheating,  the whole reason of including cd keys was to make
> penalties more enforceable.  Several users have been banned over the
years.
>     The private leagues with 3rd party cheat utilities have often caught
> noncompliant cars.  It's known, it's real, and it has been largely ignored
> publically by Sierra.
>     So my answer stands for your enlightenment....yes.

> dave henrie

I always wondered why my honest self couldn't keep up with those frigging
cars on the first lap at dega. I was down 60% grill tape because of
overheating at 70 without a draft, 60lbs pressure in all tires, 45 degrees
of slope on the rear spoiler, diff ratio gears at 2.857 ...and those holes
would be doing 200+mph at dega, when I couldn't do 189 without draft!! Not
to sound arrogant here, but I thought it was me doing something wrong.
Thanks for the insight Dave..
Dave Henri

Is there cheating in N2003?

by Dave Henri » Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:32:19



   You 'almost' have there TL.  Learn to drive enuf so your cheatin won't
stand out.  

If "I" suddenly started beating groups of experienced sim racers, well,
then there'd be Congressional Hearings.
A good cheater is often a good driver..
Pride keeps me in the back...pride and no real skill.  LOL!

dave henrie

MWB

Is there cheating in N2003?

by MWB » Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:58:24




> > Thanks.
> > Of course I'm interested. I just wondered why you bothered responding
> > with just a "yep". Same goes for D.H.

>   your question in the subject was a 'minimalist' question so I answered
> with the same amount of brevity and I also included a dose of wit and
style
> and accuracy at no extra charge.  You asked a simple question, I GAVE you
a
> simple answer.

> There has been known cheats for ages.  One simple cheat is the weather
> cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than one in
> hot sunshine.  So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny race
> but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower)
> conditions.
>    Sierra forums had several periods of users caught with more
> sophisticated cheating,  the whole reason of including cd keys was to make
> penalties more enforceable.  Several users have been banned over the
years.
>     The private leagues with 3rd party cheat utilities have often caught
> noncompliant cars.  It's known, it's real, and it has been largely ignored
> publically by Sierra.
>     So my answer stands for your enlightenment....yes.

> dave henrie

Thanks for the info Dave. At Dega I qualify around 50.250 - 50. 500 on a
consistent basis and that's middle of the pack at best. What really bothers
me is drafting with a car and a single car 2 seconds behind us blows our
doors off. Now I know why. I use in***pit with no aids. In fact the only
way I can drive is with the in***pit view.

Mark....gauger on line......I hope I haven't wrecked you.

JP

Is there cheating in N2003?

by JP » Tue, 05 Oct 2004 08:05:44






> > > Thanks.
> > > Of course I'm interested. I just wondered why you bothered responding
> > > with just a "yep". Same goes for D.H.

> >   your question in the subject was a 'minimalist' question so I answered
> > with the same amount of brevity and I also included a dose of wit and
> style
> > and accuracy at no extra charge.  You asked a simple question, I GAVE
you
> a
> > simple answer.

> > There has been known cheats for ages.  One simple cheat is the weather
> > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than one
in
> > hot sunshine.  So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny
race
> > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower)
> > conditions.
> >    Sierra forums had several periods of users caught with more
> > sophisticated cheating,  the whole reason of including cd keys was to
make
> > penalties more enforceable.  Several users have been banned over the
> years.
> >     The private leagues with 3rd party cheat utilities have often caught
> > noncompliant cars.  It's known, it's real, and it has been largely
ignored
> > publically by Sierra.
> >     So my answer stands for your enlightenment....yes.

> > dave henrie

> Thanks for the info Dave. At Dega I qualify around 50.250 - 50. 500 on a
> consistent basis and that's middle of the pack at best. What really
bothers
> me is drafting with a car and a single car 2 seconds behind us blows our
> doors off. Now I know why. I use in***pit with no aids. In fact the only
> way I can drive is with the in***pit view.

> Mark....gauger on line......I hope I haven't wrecked you.

  Don't get to e***d you guys; 99.9% of the time, the other guy IS just
faster, better, etc.  Cheating happens, but don't blow it out of proportion.

- Show quoted text -

elrik

Is there cheating in N2003?

by elrik » Tue, 05 Oct 2004 08:35:15




> > There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "big
> > boys" do? Not likely.

>    You 'almost' have there TL.  Learn to drive enuf so your cheatin won't
> stand out.

> If "I" suddenly started beating groups of experienced sim racers, well,
> then there'd be Congressional Hearings.
> A good cheater is often a good driver..
> Pride keeps me in the back...pride and no real skill.  LOL!

> dave henrie

And perhaps a self confessed lack of cheating knowledge.  ;o)

Elrikk  ( couldn't resist. )

Tiny Lun

Is there cheating in N2003?

by Tiny Lun » Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:12:13

Right Dave like the old restrictor plate cheat. Don't drive too fast that
they notice. LOL




>> There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "big
>> boys" do? Not likely.

>   You 'almost' have there TL.  Learn to drive enuf so your cheatin won't
> stand out.

> If "I" suddenly started beating groups of experienced sim racers, well,
> then there'd be Congressional Hearings.
> A good cheater is often a good driver..
> Pride keeps me in the back...pride and no real skill.  LOL!

> dave henrie

Byron Forbe

Is there cheating in N2003?

by Byron Forbe » Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:50:18


    Good to know about this stuff. But only an idiot would even consider
this in any reputable league. A quick check of top speed and it's all over.

JP

Is there cheating in N2003?

by JP » Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:42:18


..



> > There has been known cheats for ages.  One simple cheat is the weather
> > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than one
in
> > hot sunshine.  So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny
race
> > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower)
> > conditions.

>     Good to know about this stuff. But only an idiot would even consider
> this in any reputable league. A quick check of top speed and it's all

over.

  Not really, especially in an open setup league.

John DiFoo

Is there cheating in N2003?

by John DiFoo » Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:56:33




>> Thanks for the info Dave. At Dega I qualify around 50.250 - 50. 500 on a
>> consistent basis and that's middle of the pack at best. What really
>bothers
>> me is drafting with a car and a single car 2 seconds behind us blows our
>> doors off. Now I know why. I use in***pit with no aids. In fact the only
>> way I can drive is with the in***pit view.

>> Mark....gauger on line......I hope I haven't wrecked you.

>  Don't get to e***d you guys; 99.9% of the time, the other guy IS just
>faster, better, etc.  Cheating happens, but don't blow it out of proportion.

I'd like to see the setup which allows you to go that fast at Dega.
Even the setups I've tried from the likes of setup gurus such as
Gregor Huttu don't go that fast (tho they are certainly faster than
the default "fast" and "Jasper" setups).

That, and the wreckers, and the overall boring nature of plate
ovals (now that I've become a pretty decent road racer), is
why I don't race ovals on Sierra anymore...

         John DiFool

JP

Is there cheating in N2003?

by JP » Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:10:55





> >> Thanks for the info Dave. At Dega I qualify around 50.250 - 50. 500 on
a
> >> consistent basis and that's middle of the pack at best. What really
> >bothers
> >> me is drafting with a car and a single car 2 seconds behind us blows
our
> >> doors off. Now I know why. I use in***pit with no aids. In fact the
only
> >> way I can drive is with the in***pit view.

> >> Mark....gauger on line......I hope I haven't wrecked you.

> >  Don't get to e***d you guys; 99.9% of the time, the other guy IS just
> >faster, better, etc.  Cheating happens, but don't blow it out of
proportion.

> I'd like to see the setup which allows you to go that fast at Dega.
> Even the setups I've tried from the likes of setup gurus such as
> Gregor Huttu don't go that fast (tho they are certainly faster than
> the default "fast" and "Jasper" setups).

> That, and the wreckers, and the overall boring nature of plate
> ovals (now that I've become a pretty decent road racer), is
> why I don't race ovals on Sierra anymore...

>          John DiFool

  Judging oval racing by Sierra is like judging road racing by Vroc; neither
are a good impression.  I have no idea what happened in the example given
above, since I wasn't there, but just because you can't do it, irregardless
of who's setup you use, doesn't mean it was cheating.

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