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> Seems to me that people find F1 an overwhelmingly more excitiing form of
> auto racing to watch.

> David G Fisher

> > That appears to be the general concensus.

> > > in your opinion

> > > Doug

> > > > Any type of racing you do find acceptable or do you just like to
hear
> > > yourself compain?  Nascar
> > > > racing is a good fan sport, close racing and you can see the whole
> track
> > > from the stands.  Oval
> > > > racing is great for watching as a spectator, thats why it is so
> popular.
> > > Road racing in any form is
> > > > great but its not a good spectator sport, as typcially you only see
a
> > > small percentage of the racing
> > > > action.
> > > > --
> > > > Biz

> > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't
understand
> > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> > structures,....and
> > > > the....." - Ash

> > > > > clearly :D

> > > > > Doug

> > > > > > Obviously. (-:

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> > > > > > > Nor's 40 tanks trundling round a half mile of concrete - but
> they
> > > badge
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > nascar and people watch it.

> > > > > > > Obviosuly - thats just my opinion

> > > > > > > Doug

> > > > > > > > Of course that just your opinion. I found it amusing to
watch
> > the
> > > F1
> > > > > > race
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Australia last weekend. What do people get out of 1 big
wreck
> in
> > > turn
> > > > > 1
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > then 1 car runs away from the rest of the field. I enjoy all
> > types
> > > of
> > > > > > > > racing, even F1 but realistically it's not very entertaining
> for
> > > fans.

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> > > > > > > > > > If you don't like NASCAR style racing then don't play
it.
> > > > > > > > > > I find it amusing the number of people that complain
about
> > > NASCAR
> > > > > > sims
> > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > all ovals, what did you expect?
> > > > > > > > > > It would be like watching an F1 race and expecting it to
> be
> > > > > > > competitive
> > > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > > > > I'm saying 90% of Nascar's shit.

> > > > > > > > > I'm happy with the other 10% thanks

> > > > > > > > > Doug

> David G Fisher

> > > An F1 race attracts 350 million viewers per race. A NASCAR race
attracts
> > > about 12 million per race.

> > > Seems to me that people find F1 an overwhelmingly more excitiing form
of
> > > auto racing to watch.

> > Of that 350 million, how many watch both? How many have the choice?

> If you take every single soccer match from all the various leagues
> throughout the world and total their viewership, I guess it outdraws F1
but
> that's an apple and oranges comparison. That we even have to go to that
type
> of comparison makes it clear that F1, like I said, runs neck and neck with
> football/soccer in world wide popularity.

> Is there a single football league/organization anywhere in the world that
> has viewership like F1?

> The World Cup comparison is about the best I can think of and probably why
> it's often used in comparisons to F1. If anything, the World Cup should
> attract more viewers than an F1 season total because it doesn't happen
every
> year, and there are more matches in the World Cup than there are F1 races
in
> a season.

> BTW, according to this more recent article
> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines02/02/s8546.html
> than the one below, F1 total viewership is up to 54 billion per year from
41
> in '96.

> David G Fisher

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> > > From this article: http://www.formeleins.de/f118cost.html
> > > The FIA released the figures for the F1 television audience in Paris
> (Mar
> > > '97). The 16 Formula One events in '96 were broadcast, (live or taped)
> in
> > > 202 countries with an average audience of 2.5 billion viewers, or half
> the
> > > world's population. In comparison, another popular worldwide event,
> > soccer's
> > > World Cup, garnered an audience of 32 billion, or 30 percent smaller
> than
> > > the F1 circuit's 41 billion total. "Formula One is securely
stabilished
> as
> > > the number one television event" declared Max Mosley, FIA president.

> > > David G Fisher

> > That's hust the World Cup, though, one event. You said 'soccer'. I say
it
> > again, F1 (popular though it is) is nowhere NEAR as popular as football.

>>There's 54 billion. :-)
>>http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> Quoted:"This figure, which amounts to nearly ten times the world population,
> was calculated based on the number of times that any viewer watched any F1
> footage, either during any Grand Prix session or in any other kind of program.
> "

> So if someone sees a 20-second highlight replay on SportsCenter, that counts?
> Um, that's weak...<g>

> >There's 54 billion. :-)
> >http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines02/02/s8546.html

> Quoted:"This figure, which amounts to nearly ten times the world
population,
> was calculated based on the number of times that any viewer watched any F1
> footage, either during any Grand Prix session or in any other kind of
program.
> "

> So if someone sees a 20-second highlight replay on SportsCenter, that
counts?
> Um, that's weak...<g>

> Such figures are not very valid when they are skewed in the financial
> interests of those who release the figures.  More viewers=more
> advertising $$.

>>>It's not a fascination. I give facts and figures because they mean a

> whole

>>>lot more than feelings and perceptions when discusssing a sport's
>>>popularity.

>>Such figures are not very valid when they are skewed in the financial
>>interests of those who release the figures.  More viewers=more
>>advertising $$.

> So you think the companies who invest hundreds of millions in sponsorship
> (like Honda who invests 210 million per year) don't do a little
> investigating inot the ratings before they write those checks?

> Can you show me some articles on the web which expose F1's lies about
> viewership? If they do lie, I'm sure there must be a lot of articles which
> give evidence.

> David G Fisher

>Other sporting organizations and media use that statistic, so F1 does as
>well. Shouldn't they?