Couldnt get back in. This is BS, this goddamn DSL connection keeps crapping
out whenever there is any electrical irregularity.... (lightning, turning
off the ceiling fan, solar flares, etc etc)
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You were already acting a little strange in chat. Seems you yourself are a
little affected by these phenomena as well. <g>
Jan./lost the motor again... aargh!!
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Eh?
Jan.
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When pitting is part of the game it's essential that everyone keep a
"thight" pace-
field... meaning a distance of around a second or so between you and the
car infront.
So for future races - please have incar chat turned on so everyone can see
"vital" information...
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"Jan Verschueren" said:
Congrats to Ed Solheim!
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Oh I see... he does have a tendency to lag, which I too find annoying. Guess
he didn't see my "keep up Uwe" either then.
A second is a lot of distance at 90mph... I'd say 2 to 3 car lenghts max.
I thought this was a given in online Nascar racing.
Jan.
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I had a black flag and lost a lap for passing grubbat on a restart (he was
entering pits slowly as everyone else was speeding off into the distance--no
big deal now I know what happened) so I had to work my a** off to get the
lap back. On lap 62, if you look at Eldred's replay, I'm repeatedly passing
Uwe under yellow before we go green trying to get him to close up, just like
Ed was advised to do earlier in the race. In turn three, he's still way
behing Mitch. I'm sure I was pissing him off but that wasn't my intention
and if chat was on he would of known that. On the restart, it seemed (I
don't know for sure) like he blocked me the whole length of the front
straight in return. I then was about two seconds back of the front four and
that basically ruined my comeback. Larry and I warping together during a
beautiful pass ended it for good.
If Uwe thought I was being an a** during the yellow, then I can understand
him blocking me, but that wasn't what I was doing. I had no way of telling
him to close up since his chat was off, and without a tight restart Larry
and I were going to be out of the running because we had Uwe and a couple of
other damaged lapped cars between us and the four leaders. I certainly have
no problem with you at all Uwe (just the opposite, you seem very nice on
RASCAR), if you are mad at me then it's simply a misunderstanding due to the
chat being off. :-)
David G Fisher
On lap 29, we are about to go green and he dives down to approach the pits.
How long do I have to stay behind him? All the way until he crosses the pit
entry line? What if his car broke down or he had a flat and stopped? The
entire field took off as the green flag dropped and I'm still waiting for
him to enter the pits. By the time he does the field was EIGHT seconds
ahead. You can't make that up without drafting help. I apparently didn't
wait long enough and got the flag because I couldn't see him anymore. If
he's entering the pits, shouldn't I be able to pass him just like you can
pass any driver on the outside before the s/f once the green drops on a
restart?
David G Fisher
> I had a black flag and lost a lap for passing grubbat on a restart (he was
> entering pits slowly as everyone else was speeding off into the
distance--no
> big deal now I know what happened) so I had to work my a** off to get the
> lap back. On lap 62, if you look at Eldred's replay, I'm repeatedly
passing
> Uwe under yellow before we go green trying to get him to close up, just
like
> Ed was advised to do earlier in the race. In turn three, he's still way
> behing Mitch. I'm sure I was pissing him off but that wasn't my intention
> and if chat was on he would of known that. On the restart, it seemed (I
> don't know for sure) like he blocked me the whole length of the front
> straight in return. I then was about two seconds back of the front four
and
> that basically ruined my comeback. Larry and I warping together during a
> beautiful pass ended it for good.
> If Uwe thought I was being an a** during the yellow, then I can understand
> him blocking me, but that wasn't what I was doing. I had no way of telling
> him to close up since his chat was off, and without a tight restart Larry
> and I were going to be out of the running because we had Uwe and a couple
of
> other damaged lapped cars between us and the four leaders. I certainly
have
> no problem with you at all Uwe (just the opposite, you seem very nice on
> RASCAR), if you are mad at me then it's simply a misunderstanding due to
the
> chat being off. :-)
> David G Fisher
> > That one's for Uwe..... I tried to get him to close up the pace line
on
> > several occations... After having used autochat a billion times... I
> passed
> > him in an effort to get him to close up on the car infront....... Heck I
> > even tried to bumped him!
> > When pitting is part of the game it's essential that everyone keep a
> > "thight" pace-
> > field... meaning a distance of around a second or so between you and
the
> > car infront.
> > So for future races - please have incar chat turned on so everyone can
see
> > "vital" information...
> > --
> > ed_
> > "Jan Verschueren" said:
> > > "EldredP" wrote...
> > > > For future information. All drivers MUST have their
> > > > chat turned ON. 'nuff said...
> > > Eh?
> > > Jan.
> > > =---
> > > "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi
Though as slow entering as it sounds like he was, a black flag or waiting
probably wasn't much difference :(
John
> On lap 29, we are about to go green and he dives down to approach the
pits.
> How long do I have to stay behind him? All the way until he crosses the
pit
> entry line? What if his car broke down or he had a flat and stopped? The
> entire field took off as the green flag dropped and I'm still waiting for
> him to enter the pits. By the time he does the field was EIGHT seconds
> ahead. You can't make that up without drafting help. I apparently didn't
> wait long enough and got the flag because I couldn't see him anymore. If
> he's entering the pits, shouldn't I be able to pass him just like you can
> pass any driver on the outside before the s/f once the green drops on a
> restart?
> David G Fisher
> > That's two for Uwe actually. :-)
> > I had a black flag and lost a lap for passing grubbat on a restart (he
was
> > entering pits slowly as everyone else was speeding off into the
> distance--no
> > big deal now I know what happened) so I had to work my a** off to get
the
> > lap back. On lap 62, if you look at Eldred's replay, I'm repeatedly
> passing
> > Uwe under yellow before we go green trying to get him to close up, just
> like
> > Ed was advised to do earlier in the race. In turn three, he's still way
> > behing Mitch. I'm sure I was pissing him off but that wasn't my
intention
> > and if chat was on he would of known that. On the restart, it seemed (I
> > don't know for sure) like he blocked me the whole length of the front
> > straight in return. I then was about two seconds back of the front four
> and
> > that basically ruined my comeback. Larry and I warping together during a
> > beautiful pass ended it for good.
> > If Uwe thought I was being an a** during the yellow, then I can
understand
> > him blocking me, but that wasn't what I was doing. I had no way of
telling
> > him to close up since his chat was off, and without a tight restart
Larry
> > and I were going to be out of the running because we had Uwe and a
couple
> of
> > other damaged lapped cars between us and the four leaders. I certainly
> have
> > no problem with you at all Uwe (just the opposite, you seem very nice on
> > RASCAR), if you are mad at me then it's simply a misunderstanding due to
> the
> > chat being off. :-)
> > David G Fisher
> > > That one's for Uwe..... I tried to get him to close up the pace line
> on
> > > several occations... After having used autochat a billion times... I
> > passed
> > > him in an effort to get him to close up on the car infront....... Heck
I
> > > even tried to bumped him!
> > > When pitting is part of the game it's essential that everyone keep a
> > > "thight" pace-
> > > field... meaning a distance of around a second or so between you and
> the
> > > car infront.
> > > So for future races - please have incar chat turned on so everyone can
> see
> > > "vital" information...
> > > --
> > > ed_
> > > "Jan Verschueren" said:
> > > > "EldredP" wrote...
> > > > > For future information. All drivers MUST have their
> > > > > chat turned ON. 'nuff said...
> > > > Eh?
> > > > Jan.
> > > > =---
> > > > "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi
IMO.
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> Though as slow entering as it sounds like he was, a black flag or
waiting
> probably wasn't much difference :(
> John
> > BTW, I didn't meant to make it sound like I blame grubbat for my black
> flag.
> > On lap 29, we are about to go green and he dives down to approach the
> pits.
> > How long do I have to stay behind him? All the way until he crosses the
> pit
> > entry line? What if his car broke down or he had a flat and stopped? The
> > entire field took off as the green flag dropped and I'm still waiting
for
> > him to enter the pits. By the time he does the field was EIGHT seconds
> > ahead. You can't make that up without drafting help. I apparently didn't
> > wait long enough and got the flag because I couldn't see him anymore. If
> > he's entering the pits, shouldn't I be able to pass him just like you
can
> > pass any driver on the outside before the s/f once the green drops on a
> > restart?
> > David G Fisher
> > > That's two for Uwe actually. :-)
> > > I had a black flag and lost a lap for passing grubbat on a restart (he
> was
> > > entering pits slowly as everyone else was speeding off into the
> > distance--no
> > > big deal now I know what happened) so I had to work my a** off to get
> the
> > > lap back. On lap 62, if you look at Eldred's replay, I'm repeatedly
> > passing
> > > Uwe under yellow before we go green trying to get him to close up,
just
> > like
> > > Ed was advised to do earlier in the race. In turn three, he's still
way
> > > behing Mitch. I'm sure I was pissing him off but that wasn't my
> intention
> > > and if chat was on he would of known that. On the restart, it seemed
(I
> > > don't know for sure) like he blocked me the whole length of the front
> > > straight in return. I then was about two seconds back of the front
four
> > and
> > > that basically ruined my comeback. Larry and I warping together during
a
> > > beautiful pass ended it for good.
> > > If Uwe thought I was being an a** during the yellow, then I can
> understand
> > > him blocking me, but that wasn't what I was doing. I had no way of
> telling
> > > him to close up since his chat was off, and without a tight restart
> Larry
> > > and I were going to be out of the running because we had Uwe and a
> couple
> > of
> > > other damaged lapped cars between us and the four leaders. I certainly
> > have
> > > no problem with you at all Uwe (just the opposite, you seem very nice
on
> > > RASCAR), if you are mad at me then it's simply a misunderstanding due
to
> > the
> > > chat being off. :-)
> > > David G Fisher
> > > > That one's for Uwe..... I tried to get him to close up the pace
line
> > on
> > > > several occations... After having used autochat a billion times...
I
> > > passed
> > > > him in an effort to get him to close up on the car infront.......
Heck
> I
> > > > even tried to bumped him!
> > > > When pitting is part of the game it's essential that everyone keep a
> > > > "thight" pace-
> > > > field... meaning a distance of around a second or so between you
and
> > the
> > > > car infront.
> > > > So for future races - please have incar chat turned on so everyone
can
> > see
> > > > "vital" information...
> > > > --
> > > > ed_
> > > > "Jan Verschueren" said:
> > > > > "EldredP" wrote...
> > > > > > For future information. All drivers MUST have their
> > > > > > chat turned ON. 'nuff said...
> > > > > Eh?
> > > > > Jan.
> > > > > =---
> > > > > "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi
Yes. From watching the races I have the impression Nascar officials are much
more lenient in this respect than the game, but it seems it's something
we'll have to adjust to.
If he stops and retires or tows you shouldn't get a penalty.
I'll have a look at the replay to see if I can explain it. If I understand
correctly if you are ahead as the green is given you will be judged as
having passed under yellow at that moment and not at s/f or pit entry. Don't
know if that's what happened, but it's a possibility.
Download from Eldred's server is exceptionally slow at the moment. Let me
get back to you...
Jan.
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Bingo... you were ahead when the green was waved and therefore, by
definition, had passed under yellow. Had you been behind Grubbat as the race
went green, I think you would have been allowed to floor it and take off
after the pack, provided you passed to the outside. Which is a given in this
situation.
Jan.
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What raced through my head at the time was the rule that let's you pass a
much slower car on the left before the s/f line on a restart without being
black flagged. I thought maybe there had to be the same kind of leeway for
the type of situation I was in. The field was just about out of sight it was
so far ahead, and I was on the right side after all.
Just seems like a ridiculous rule. I'm guessing it can't possibly be as
strictly enforced in real life as it is in the game. If a driver were to be
injured/sick or his car was breaking down, he could take others out of the
race completely if they had to wait for him to get into the pits on a
restart.
I understand that it may be hard to program a solution for my situation into
the game, but then again, they managed to program the situation of passing
very slow cars on the left on a restart as I mentioned above.
David G Fisher