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Hi, I'm considering upgrading my CPU from an 133Mhz Pentium to either a
166mmx or 200mmx Pentium. Would there be much performance difference between
the 166 or 200?. I know these processors are a bit dated now but I am doing
this on a tight budget and any increase in performance has got to be better.

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There is no that much performance difference between an Intel P166 and a
P200.  But there is even less price difference.  So get the P200.  Better
yet, If your mb supports MMX, get a P233MMX.  And if you have a 3dfx card,
that will help alot, also.

% Hi, I'm considering upgrading my CPU from an 133Mhz Pentium to either a
% 166mmx or 200mmx Pentium. Would there be much performance difference between
% the 166 or 200?. I know these processors are a bit dated now but I am doing
% this on a tight budget and any increase in performance has got to be better.

Since you are on a tight budget, it would seem that a move from 133 to
166mmx is not quite worth the move.  Therefore, if you are looking for
some more gump I would suggest at least going for the 200mmx.  Also
depending on your computing needs look into a 3d accelerator card (if
you don't already have one).  For Papyrus titles go for a used Rendition
(still thinking budget) or for other sims and future Papy titles try to
rustle up a used Voodoo1 3DFX card.  If you don't have a 3d accelerator
card the peformance increase with one should be even better than the
jump to a "slightly" faster CPU.  Best bet is to combine the card and
the 200mmx CPU.

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No... He can get the P5-200MMX upgrade chip and just replace his
current normal pentium. This chip has an onboard voltage regulator
and is a real MMX P5. I know I have one.
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Good advice except you are assuming he will be able to get 233mhz out
of his current MB. In fact he most likely cannot. I cannot go higher than
200mhz (66mhz x3). So if you know of a way to do this when your MB
only supports a 50mhz, 60mhz or 66mhz bus and a maximum 3x
multiplication jumper setting, please let me know. I would like to get
a 233mhz also. But I know it is impossible without putting in a new
MB (motherboard) also.

Also if he cannot use a normal MMX cpu, he should get the 200MMX
UPGRADE cpu. It will pop in a normal pentium socket, and is only
slightly more expensive. You see if he has a P5-133 now, his MB
most likely doesn't support MMX voltages either. And finially, a
3dfx is a must.

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If you are on a tight budget you should consider the K6 processor. I'm
personally not on a tight budget and I have a K6 200, two of them actually :o),
bought them when the hottest was 233 MHz MMX, and paid 200 USD each for them.
The big advantage of going K6 is that you can keep your motherboard when you
upgrade. You would probably need a new motherboard if you're going from P133 to
200 MMX. I recommend the AOpen AP5T, I've just visited AOpen's site and they
have an upgrade for the BIOS so it can run the K6 300 MHz. I'm a bit tempted
:o).

BTW, with the K6 200 and a Voodoo 1 card I have a 1:28.4 at Melbourne and a
1:14.8 at Interlagos with no helps whatsoever :o). I also have no trouble at all
running Quake 2, not even in big rooms.

/Christer, not sponsored by AMD... yet :o)

Buy a 166 and overclock it to 200, you will then get even more bang for
your buck?

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Many if not most of the boards that support P5/200MMX  will support the the
233MMX CPU by setting the multiplier to 1.5 X 66mhz, the CPU itself will
adjust internally to 3.5 times.  The ASUS T2P4 is one such motherboard,
check with your MB manufacturer's website to see if yours does.  But your
are right that his MB may not support it simply because it doesn't support
the neccessary voltage for MMX CPU's.  Of course Socket 7 MB's are dirt
cheap now so that is another option even for someone on a tight budget.

Dan.

|>    Bang for the buck, I would not even consider the P/166 or P/200. With
|the
|>falling original Pentium prices you can pick up a P/233 MMX for a song.
|Throw in
|
|Good advice except you are assuming he will be able to get 233mhz out
|of his current MB. In fact he most likely cannot. I cannot go higher than
|200mhz (66mhz x3). So if you know of a way to do this when your MB
|only supports a 50mhz, 60mhz or 66mhz bus and a maximum 3x
|multiplication jumper setting, please let me know. I would like to get
|a 233mhz also. But I know it is impossible without putting in a new
|MB (motherboard) also.
|
|Also if he cannot use a normal MMX cpu, he should get the 200MMX
|UPGRADE cpu. It will pop in a normal pentium socket, and is only
|slightly more expensive. You see if he has a P5-133 now, his MB
|most likely doesn't support MMX voltages either. And finially, a
|3dfx is a must.
|

Not much difference - 10% maybe. Its more important you have a 3dfx card.
Not worth it without one. Also, be sure to overclock your cpu at least from
166 to 200 or 200 to 233. Its quite safe with Intel cpu's provided you use a
fan/heatsink with it.
I have a 166MMX overclocked to 200 and have no problems, but the difference
is not that noticeable.

BTW I have a QDI Explorer board which does support dual voltage for MMX.

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Except you can't overclock the new Pentium processors...Well, by in-
creasing the bus speed yes, but not the multiplier. A new P166 won't
run as 3x66MHz, but it can run as 2.5x83MHz = 208MHz.  

Tuffe