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copy GPL cd rom - HELP

Bob Curti

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Bob Curti » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00


> Why is everyone assuming this guy is burning illegal copies of the game? You
> all say to support Papy and all that stuff but that doesn't mean he isn't. I
> make backup copies of all my favorite games and store them in a safe place
> just because I _always_ misplace a CD for a decent amount of time.

> --
> Tony

Yeah, right.  And I've got a bridge for sale...
Kevin Le

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Kevin Le » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Another vote for ICR3!


> ICR3!!!

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> >>Or more importantly Nascar3, or 4.

> >Hmm.... More importantly for some. I'd rather have a GPL 2 any day :-)

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Bruce Kennewel

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Bruce Kennewel » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

What is an "average consumer" and why should this person be treated any
differently to any other type of consumer?

We do have the right to create one backup copy of any software that we
purchase.  If the copy protection that is being used now by Sierra (an
others) prevents this then Sierra (and others) should include in their fine
print words to the effect that they will supply us with a replacement CD at
no cost to us in the event that the purchased item fails for ANY
reason....and that includes being chewed by the dog.

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>The thing you're doing that is completely wrong is trying to copy a
>commercial CD-ROM. Despite all the excuses given, I think that if
>CD-ROMs are stored and handled properly there is NO reason for an
>average consumer to make 'safety copies'.

Bruce Kennewel

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Bruce Kennewel » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

No it's not...and the word is "you're".

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>Yes your doing something completely wrong.  Copying is illegal.

Daxe Rexfor

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Daxe Rexfor » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

I have a confession to make...

Right now, in the other room, in the CD drive of my wife's computer, is a COPIED
cd of JumpStart Baby.  I made the copy the same day I bought the CD, before I
even installed the game on the computer.  When the FBI comes to my door to haul
me off to prison for being a software pirate, I will have to tell them the same
thing I am telling you:

My soon-to-be two year old daughter loves to push the 'open' button on the CD
drive on my wife's computer.  In fact, she loves to push the 'open' buttons on
both my regular CD drive and my CDRW, too, my computer is just harder to get at.
Sometimes, is there is a CD in the drive (like perhaps Jumpstart Baby..because
she is playing with it) and sometimes she takes the CD out.

I don't know if the 2 year olds around your house understand the concept of
"proper handling and storage", but mine doesn't.  Her idea of proper handling
and storage includes rubbing the CD on herself, on the desk, on the computer, on
the monitor, on the floor and across the gritty kitchen floor, data side down.
It also includes biting the CD, putting it in oatmeal or yogurt, leaving it
around for one of the dogs to "investigate", pushing it under the refrigerator
and once, even dropping it through the spaces between the planks on the 2nd
floor deck so it fell to the concrete 12 feet below, where I found it about 3
days later.  The original of that particular CD now hangs when it tries to read
the disk because it has a bunch of deep scratches and divots on it, so I use the
COPY I made to run the program I bought.

Since I am aware that she does this, I copy all the CDs I buy as soon as I get
them.  I try not to leave CDs in the drives on any of the computers so as to
minimize the chance that she will 'handle and store' them in her own special
way.  Who exactly am I ripping off by protecting my investment this way?  I
learned my lesson long ago with a new computer that had a funky floppy drive.  I
installed all of my favorite software on it, including Visual C+1.5, trueSpace
2, and a partition with OS/2 Warp, all using diskettes.  The floppy drive ruined
every diskette I put in it while it read them.  Because I never copied the
diskettes and installed from the originals, I lost all that software.  I swore
that would never happen again, and now it won't because I legally copy every CD
I buy.  CDs are nothing more than another form of data storage, and if it is and
was legal to copy diskettes, it is legal to copy CDs.

blah blah blah.

daxe



> > Why is everyone assuming this guy is burning illegal copies of the game? You
> > all say to support Papy and all that stuff but that doesn't mean he isn't. I
> > make backup copies of all my favorite games and store them in a safe place
> > just because I _always_ misplace a CD for a decent amount of time.

> > --
> > Tony

> Yeah, right.  And I've got a bridge for sale...

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Michae

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Michae » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Whether or not it is legal to make a copy for the purpose described depends
upon the individual license agreement for the software in question.  Some
are so specific to state that you must use the copy as the backup, and work
from the original.  In many cases it was illegal to copy diskettes for
backup purposes too (from experience).  Sometimes the license is worded to
disallow backup and require you to repurchase software if original disks are
damaged (Novell was once worded this way, for instance).

I AM familiar with having a two year old that likes pushing buttons and
walking off with the surprises found, and understand the situation.  It does
not, however, exempt you from the obligations of the software license for
those titles from which copying is banned.  Personally, I make a copy of all
originals for which a copy is permitted, but once learned the hard way to
check the license before starting up the CDRW drive (or the floppy drive at
the time).

Michael


Mark C Dod

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Mark C Dod » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

By law you are allowed to do exactly that. The rule is there should be no
instance where both the original and the copy are in use at the same time. I do
exactly the same since my kids use my various computers and tend not to be the
best at putting CD's away!

P.S.......this didn't help when my duaghter's Barbir game couldn't be copied no
matter which siftware I tried. Of course she ended up scrathing the orginal!


> Why is everyone assuming this guy is burning illegal copies of the game? You
> all say to support Papy and all that stuff but that doesn't mean he isn't. I
> make backup copies of all my favorite games and store them in a safe place
> just because I _always_ misplace a CD for a decent amount of time.

> --
> Tony

Thom j

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Thom j » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

I do not have a cd-re'writer but I would think this sounds viable?
Also why not back up your games/sims on tape? Its cheaper for
me or is there something I am un-aware of with cd re'writers?
Cheers Thom_j.


Mark C Dod

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Mark C Dod » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Suspension or pontoon? Size and how much?

I make a backup of just about ALL of my CD's. What's so hard to believe about
honest people protecting their investment?



> > Why is everyone assuming this guy is burning illegal copies of the game? You
> > all say to support Papy and all that stuff but that doesn't mean he isn't. I
> > make backup copies of all my favorite games and store them in a safe place
> > just because I _always_ misplace a CD for a decent amount of time.

> > --
> > Tony

> Yeah, right.  And I've got a bridge for sale...

Mark C Dod

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Mark C Dod » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

I think you will find, In Australia anyway, that it doesn't matter what they
claim on the licence. The Copyright law supercedes it and allows for the backup
of program CD's and diskettes as long as there is no time when both the backup
and original are in use at the same time.

Remember back in the dim, dark ages when programs like DBase had copy counters
on the diskettes! Everytime you installed it it removed a licence from the
diskette. You had to then recover the licence from a PC if you were upgrading or
whatever. Good idea until your hard disk crashed and the licence couldn't be
recovered. I remember a very large Australian company going to court to protect
their right to copy these diskettes, using a hardware bit copier. They won and
that was way back in the early mid 80's.


> Whether or not it is legal to make a copy for the purpose described depends
> upon the individual license agreement for the software in question.  Some
> are so specific to state that you must use the copy as the backup, and work
> from the original.  In many cases it was illegal to copy diskettes for
> backup purposes too (from experience).  Sometimes the license is worded to
> disallow backup and require you to repurchase software if original disks are
> damaged (Novell was once worded this way, for instance).

> I AM familiar with having a two year old that likes pushing buttons and
> walking off with the surprises found, and understand the situation.  It does
> not, however, exempt you from the obligations of the software license for
> those titles from which copying is banned.  Personally, I make a copy of all
> originals for which a copy is permitted, but once learned the hard way to
> check the license before starting up the CDRW drive (or the floppy drive at
> the time).

> Michael



> > Because I never copied the
> > diskettes and installed from the originals, I lost all that software.  I
> swore
> > that would never happen again, and now it won't because I legally copy
> every CD
> > I buy.  CDs are nothing more than another form of data storage, and if it
> is and
> > was legal to copy diskettes, it is legal to copy CDs.

Tony Wys

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Tony Wys » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Well if you buy CDs in bulk then you can get them for about $1 a CD so its
not really a big deal and less the hassle of having to transfer all the data
back on to your hard drive, etc...

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Lindsay Adam

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Lindsay Adam » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

now you know why they didn't sell many copies of GPL :)

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> Another vote for ICR3!


> > ICR3!!!

> > --
> > Kirk Lane

> > ICQ: 28171652

> > RMRL #119

> > >>Or more importantly Nascar3, or 4.

> > >Hmm.... More importantly for some. I'd rather have a GPL 2 any day :-)

> > >--
> > >Cheers!
> > >Graeme Nash


> > >http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk
> > >ICQ# 11257824

>___________________________________________________________________________
> > _____
> > >           "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"

> > >                             (Calvin & Hobbes)

> --
>                            _ ,          ,----,
> ______________   _._  .___(_)|\=-n---_._\____| ____________
>               _./ _ \"-,---------,--/ _ \//
> Kevin Lee  ,-=,( (_) ) |  HONDA  | ( (_) )  Go Franchitti !
>           '---'-\___/--'---------'--\___/
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Daxe Rexfor

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Daxe Rexfor » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00


You probably can't install or play a game from a tape drive, so the backup would
be pretty useless.  A lot of CDs need a CD to be in the drive, etc.

You also might be unaware that you don't need a CD re-writer to burn CDs, just
to 'erase' and re-write CDs already burned on the drive.  It took me the longest
time to tell helpful but clueless friends that I didn't need all their
commercial CDs they got from AOL, etc. because I couldn't erase them and
(re)write over them.

daxe

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Bruce Kennewel

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:00:00

How much and what type?

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>Yeah, right.  And I've got a bridge for sale...

PRessenc

copy GPL cd rom - HELP

by PRessenc » Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Tony, I fully agree with you. I just put a simple question but nobody gives
me an answer!
Instead a whole discussion is being released about the m***of copying ...
Strange.
I suspect nobody knows the answer!


>> Why is everyone assuming this guy is burning illegal copies of the game?
You
>> all say to support Papy and all that stuff but that doesn't mean he
isn't. I
>> make backup copies of all my favorite games and store them in a safe
place
>> just because I _always_ misplace a CD for a decent amount of time.

>> --
>> Tony


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