rec.autos.simulators

That's only slightly less than me, so you must be kind to it somehow. No
problems with gear selection at all?

Like I said, I'm not one of those aliens who hardly move their wheel and
hardly ever have to correct an indiscretion, but I'm not overly abusive on
my stuff, IMO.

Jan.
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If it breaks under warranty and they have stock, they will replace units
almost without question, true. Also, if it breaks after the warranty period
has ended, they'll usually offer a discount on a new wheel. All very good
for casual customers who probably have another mouse or gamepad somewhere.

Trouble is they don't sell spares to replace worn/broken parts on their
wheel/pedal combos and, in this respect, most simracers are no different to
their real life counterparts: we *really* object to having to sit out races
through lack of spares, so Logitech takes some flack for that.

Jan.
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Wow, that's different to the response I got.  My pots died about 1 month out
of warranty and a few calls to Logitech, Oz drew nothing but blank
responses.  I guess it must depend who you speak with.  I've got nothing but
rude, arrogant pr**ks when I've called.

    Logitech Australia Computer
Peripherals Pty Ltd.
3-6 The Strand
Dee Why NSW 2099, Australia

Sales & Marketing: (02) 9972 3711
Technical Help: (02) 8850 1192
               (Mon - Fri, 9am - 5pm)

    From - http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/utilities/contact/AU/EN

    Tried that one? I'm pretty sure Tech Help is the one.

PlowBoy enlightened us with:

Two things kinda scared me:
"On the pre-production example, it was noted that there was almost no
retention force to keep the gated shifter in-gear. This made the shifter
feel very vague as to whether it was actually in gear. It was also extremely
easy to knock out of gear with the slightest pressure, and at times the
shifter would just flop out of detent and return to Neutral. In a shifter,
floppy is not a desired feeling."

"Although the gated, 6-speed shifter on the G25 would be a perfect fit for
the cars modeled in GT Legends, it seems that GTL's code is written such
that it can't see or utilize that feature."

I already own a DFP and the new wheel itself doesn't offer much more except
in terms of materials used. I can order an ACT Labs shifter that has good
reviews and is supported by GTL. It's also available right now. It's just a
matter of finding some affordable pedals with a clutch.

That's a little disconcerting, but we'll have to wait and see.

I'd bet GTL wasn't configured properly.  The "gates" on an Act Labs shifter
are no different than the buttons on a controller.  The switches are just
activated through a different mechanical means.  GTL simply supports mapping
of buttons to gears.

I like the return of actual paddles assuming they won't break, and I welcome
the larger wheel even if it's only ever so slightly so.  What I'm
particularly interested to hear about though is the FF.  I've no idea what
two motors can really mean for FF improvement, but I'm very curious to find
out.

Alan

Hopefully some clever soul can find a way and a means like with GPLShift
which was quite remarkable.

The DFP is good but still feels a bit of a toy, this one looks a bit
closer to the high end *** stuff.

Cheers
Tony

   I have zero race car experience but here is my take.  The paddles would
have little or no 'spring' because the resistance to your input would be
delayed.  Even a light spring requires a tiny bit more time to overcome the
mechanical resistance.  
  When race engines shift in micro-seconds, does it make sense to delay
that ability with a comfy feeling spring?

  Now,  REAL racers can chip in...  :)

dave henrie

Cheers
Tony

The icing on the cake will be if software developers recognize that in some
titles you have more than one type of shifting within the game (GTR for
example, with most cars using an H-pattern stick, a few using sequential
stick, but one using paddles behind the wheel). It's great to be able to
switch from one game to the next, but you need to switch also within a game.

Marc

    I purchased mine at Best Buy here in the US and forked over the $12 or
so for the 3yr warranty. I am now on my 6th or so new Black Momo. I have had
no problems with anything on the units except for the well known accelerator
bracket problem and not being able to keep it calibrated. On my last
exchange, I purchased another 3yr warranty when I recieved the new unit. I
really like the wheel, it is just the poor quality of the pedals that I
don't like. One of these days I will break down and get a good set of USB
pedals.

Ed

TSW's are nice and solid and yada yada. But I really do like the FF of
Logitech and MS wheels. That being said I had a red momo that I gave to
another online racer when I got my TSW. The TSW was great but I sold it
to help cover costs of my league. I bought a black Momo and its now dead
  due to the wonderfull pedals that they have. The Red Momo still lives
and Im hoping to get it back. I also have a Logitecch Winman FF Red that
is going on 4 years of service and still works. But I have a trick to
replace the pots.

What I do is buy a cheap yellow wingman off of ebay and steal the pots
out of it for the red FF . Guess what the black momo uses the same pots
LOl. You can get the yellow wingman for as low as 5 or 6 bucks USD .
That is the way I have kept my old Logitechs running after all these
years. I will say this as for TSW vs Logi. If logitech wheels lived
longer and they had replacement parts I would buy a Logitech over a TSW
any day. Facts are TSW needs more buttons and not to charge a arm and a
leg for them. Also whats with the $400.00 shifter? So as for the G25 and
its 900 DEG Rotation and FF and shifter and all the rest of its goodies.
Its priced about the same as a TSW Stock and you get a ton more. So
Logitech if you make this think live and sell us pots you just might win
the entire market.