Nobody? www.digikey.com sells the originals as repair kits.
For better quality, one must look elsewhere, but they are hard to find with
right values as they are custom made for Logitech by the company that makes
potentiometers.
--
Mika Takala
No you won't, not the steering one anyway.
Jan.
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I'm no Volker Hackmann, but I don't think I was that *** it, wanna hear
my list of breakdowns?
- paddle switches: 3 sets
- steering pots: 2 (used to be available through Digikey)
- clamp bolts/nuts: 2 sets
- pedal/usb wiring replaced due to bad contacts developing in DSUB25
connector.
- power supply main smoothing capacitor (twice)
- steering shaft sheared off completely at 2004 ESCORS LAN
Now shelved due to excessive play in force feedback mechanism and pedal
hinges.
And, yes, despite this experience with their flagship model, I shelled out
another 112,- Euro with them for a DFP(*), because the BRD Speed7 FF is
still not ready!
Jan.
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(*): through an extra-ordinary amount of settings fiddling it now gives
pretty decent feedback, but is still not as crisp as the MOMO was when new.
The plastic construction flexes and is simply completely inadequate with
regard to the amount of force it can develop. And the ergonomics of the
paddles and buttons are shocking....
Logitech could produce excellent wheels, if they were prepared to up their
price point in favour of build quality and provided after sales support.
This thing costs red MOMO money and looks like it'll last just as long,
which, in my experience, is just over 3 years if one's able to mend the
minor faults oneself.
Jan.
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>>All the key components of logi wheels are made of metal:
>><link snipped> Only the most heavy-handed *** could break the momo
>>red.
> I'm no Volker Hackmann, but I don't think I was that *** it, wanna hear
> my list of breakdowns?
> - paddle switches: 3 sets
> - steering pots: 2 (used to be available through Digikey)
> - clamp bolts/nuts: 2 sets
> - pedal/usb wiring replaced due to bad contacts developing in DSUB25
> connector.
> - power supply main smoothing capacitor (twice)
> - steering shaft sheared off completely at 2004 ESCORS LAN
> Now shelved due to excessive play in force feedback mechanism and pedal
> hinges.
> And, yes, despite this experience with their flagship model, I shelled out
> another 112,- Euro with them for a DFP(*), because the BRD Speed7 FF is
> still not ready!
> Jan.
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> (*): through an extra-ordinary amount of settings fiddling it now gives
> pretty decent feedback, but is still not as crisp as the MOMO was when new.
> The plastic construction flexes and is simply completely inadequate with
> regard to the amount of force it can develop. And the ergonomics of the
> paddles and buttons are shocking....
1. none in three years!
How many hours a week do you use it?
Jan.
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You made me chuckle Jan ... especially the ESCORS
breakage ! Some people are just '*** the machinery' ..
LOL! jv
I absolutely agree with the concept that there is no middle
market ff racing wheel/gear combo with a life cycle beyond three
years , with the kind of use Jan refers to ...
If ECCI made force feedback wheels and were completely
mad enough to go 'down market' by pricing it suicidally low ..
Then we'd be in luck , because those guys make the nearest thing
to a car wheel that I've seen ... or a bus wheel for that matter ...
All these ff wheels are 'tiny' compared even to the small mini steering
wheel we all used back in the sixties...
I suppose you could argue that NASCAR wheels are a breed apart though :-)
jv
>>><snip>
>>Here's my list of breakages:
>>1. none in three years!
> How many hours a week do you use it?
> Jan.
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Looks nice though!
-Larry
That's why I inquired about upgrade/overhaul kits earlier this week.
-Larry
Agree that this is the spiritual successor to the red Momo, but still glad
to see it. Some of us are A) too cheap to go ECCI/TSW, B) converts to FF
even if we weren't cheapskates, and C) a lot easier on equipment than
others! ;-) Not spending so much time at the wheel these days, so I'd
expect it to last quite long enough given my experience with other Logi
products. From the PR copy, it looks like they've addressed the primary
issues I have with the DFP (FF lag and gear slack, too-small wheel size and
lousy ergonomics), and added some nice touches like the H-pattern shifter
and clutch with metal pedals (who knows, they might finally have a set worth
using!).
I'm most interested to see how much the 2-motor solution helps in resolving
the lag issue that makes the wheel feel so dead around neutral loads or when
the forces on the wheel change direction. Pretty much unavoidable with one
small motor using a large gear reduction like the DFP, so using two opposing
motors should help that a lot and really improve the resolution of the FF.
Yeah, there will still be a big hole between the G25 and the likes of the
Speed 7; Logitech are mass-marketers after all, so no one should be
expecting them to be Dave Thomas. But I would think the G25 will make a
much better platform for outfits like FrexGP to mod and provide parts for
than current offerings, so they could help fill the gap. And you never
know; it's five months till the holiday shopping season (Oct.), and if
Logitech thinks that price point's worth occupying again, maybe some others
will too.
Probably good it's not out yet; means I'm $300 richer than I would be
otherwise... ;-)
SB
Only read your post cursory (at work, will give it some more attention when
I get home), but try turning on the centering spring on the DFP (a good 25%)
to make up for the lack of substance in the wheel compared to the power of
the FF motor. I find now it only "sticks" on really big correction in cars
with either big shoes or lots of downforce (i.o.w. little chance of saving a
major indiscretion anyway).
Jan.
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