Just remember NOT to hit the "Use Estimate" button when setting frame
rate.
Cheers
Randy
> Some month ago I could have almost everything on (objects,mirrors....), and
> get god frame rate.
> But now I cant have anything no objects, no mirrors.
> I have changed to a rendition card, but for GP2, that shouldnt do any
> difference.
> I have a Pentium 200 and 32mb ram.
Same system for me, same thing happened! I switched to an 8mb Herc
Thiller. I haven't attempted to fix it since I'm getting a new PC soon
although maybe re-installing will solve it. When I installed GP2 I had a
Matrox Mystique.
Although, I'm told the 2D performance of these cards isn't too hot as it
is.....
Cheers!
Graeme Nash
http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk
ICQ# 11257824
1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion
Cheers,
Steve B.
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I guess I will be able to use 25 frame rate when I upgrade my AMD 233 chip
to a K6 350+
Ben Summers
A Rendition card will do a *huge* difference to any ordinary SVGA
card. I had to replace mine many months ago with a simple ATI Rage
(and Voodoo hooked on) because it clogged down any not Rendition-based
stuff (DOS or Windows doesn't matter) so much. GP2 with a Rendition is
a no go, at least on your system.
--Tel
Sorry but this is rubbish.
I have a P166 classic overclocked to 200. There is NO way I can get 25.6fps in
SVGA with everything on. Processor Occupancy sky-rockets to +200 if you try
that. I usually run 21fps in SVGA with only a few textures on.
Admittedly the machine is a little below-average, but telling an owner of even a
very fast P200 MMX that he can get 25fps full detail in SVGA without
slowdown....
You need at least a PII 300 for that.
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> >Is GP2 telling you that your frame rate will be low via its estimated
> >frame rate counter? If so, ignore that, crank up the FPS control & try
> >it out. I'm not sure how it gets its estimates, but as long as CPU
> >occupancy isn't pegged at 100%+, then your system should be able to run
> >most detail (except maybe sky) at 25+ FPS in SVGA mode.
> Sorry but this is rubbish.
No you don't.
I had exactly the same setup as the original poster & got 25+FPS in SVGA
with MOST DETAIL ON! 200MMX + Sierra Screamin 3D (very fast card in its
day) is a great combination to run GP2 (a 3 year old game remember).
PII's weren't even around when this game was developed! Heck - PI's were
just becoming mainstream, then.
Randy
>> Admittedly the machine is a little below-average, but telling an owner of even a
>> very fast P200 MMX that he can get 25fps full detail in SVGA without
>> slowdown....
>> You need at least a PII 300 for that.
>No you don't.
>I had exactly the same setup as the original poster & got 25+FPS in SVGA
>with MOST DETAIL ON! 200MMX + Sierra Screamin 3D (very fast card in its
>day) is a great combination to run GP2 (a 3 year old game remember).
I bought my P166 especially for GP2 back then. P200 were just released (no MMX
at the time!)
These days, people with a PII 400Mhz are reporting that they STILL get over 100%
PO at the start in Monaco (cockpit view). So yes this is with all possible
detail, all textures (including sky) and max framerate, but do you really
believe that a P200 MMX could perform even _remotely_ similar?????
There must be some misunderstanding here...
Let's look at it again... You DO pretend that you stay(ed) around 100% processor
occupancy under these conditions:
- under typical circumstances in a race on a typical track
- 25.6 fps selected
- all trackside objects active
- most textures selected (say no sky texture, and very few textures in the
mirrors)
And all this with a P200 MMX?? Maybe with a speedy graphics card, but everyone
knows (see information published on some of the best GP2 sites) that graphics
cards have close to ZERO influence on GP2 gamespeed?
What kind of RAM did you have? Busspeed?
I'd like to believe you, but it's hard.
JoH
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I'm also lying when I say the ESTIMATE WENT UP when I swapped out the 4M
Rendition for an 8M Matrox
And I guess all the other people you've had this argument with are lying
too (About 100 times or so now, according to DejaNews)
What was I thinking?? We must all be idiots!!
duh, duh, Randy - yeah! that's it!
> >> I have a P166 classic overclocked to 200. There is NO way I can get 25.6fps in
> >> SVGA with everything on. Processor Occupancy sky-rockets to +200 if you try
> >> that. I usually run 21fps in SVGA with only a few textures on.
> >> Admittedly the machine is a little below-average, but telling an owner of even a
> >> very fast P200 MMX that he can get 25fps full detail in SVGA without
> >> slowdown....
> >> You need at least a PII 300 for that.
> >No you don't.
> >I had exactly the same setup as the original poster & got 25+FPS in SVGA
> >with MOST DETAIL ON! 200MMX + Sierra Screamin 3D (very fast card in its
> >day) is a great combination to run GP2 (a 3 year old game remember).
> Summer '96
> >PII's weren't even around when this game was developed! Heck - PI's were
> >just becoming mainstream, then.
> I bought my P166 especially for GP2 back then. P200 were just released (no MMX
> at the time!)
> These days, people with a PII 400Mhz are reporting that they STILL get over 100%
> PO at the start in Monaco (cockpit view). So yes this is with all possible
> detail, all textures (including sky) and max framerate, but do you really
> believe that a P200 MMX could perform even _remotely_ similar?????
> There must be some misunderstanding here...
> Let's look at it again... You DO pretend that you stay(ed) around 100% processor
> occupancy under these conditions:
> - under typical circumstances in a race on a typical track
> - 25.6 fps selected
> - all trackside objects active
> - most textures selected (say no sky texture, and very few textures in the
> mirrors)
> And all this with a P200 MMX?? Maybe with a speedy graphics card, but everyone
> knows (see information published on some of the best GP2 sites) that graphics
> cards have close to ZERO influence on GP2 gamespeed?
> What kind of RAM did you have? Busspeed?
> I'd like to believe you, but it's hard.
> JoH
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Oh come on, I didn't say that.
I would like to hear more details about your PC though. The exceptional speed of
your machine must be caused by SOMETHING.
From time to time, people claim performance like this. But the huge majority of
speed reports are _much_ lower. This indicates to me that people sometimes
aren't "on the same wavelength", that they mean different things.
Does everyone know about PO? Does everyone know that the "estimate" given by GP2
can be totally wrong? Does everyone know that the track is important? Does
everyone understand all the detail settings? Are we talking about the start of a
race, a typical racing situation or practice with one car? "Smooth" can have a
different meaning to different people. Etc...etc... In other words: is everyone
talking about the same thing?
That's another thing... Many people have reported that the "estimates" in the
graphics configuration menu can do pretty weird things.
Yes, Dejanews is a handy tool :-) . I did some searching too. Here are some
quotes by other people (anyone can find them by searching for "GP2 occupancy" in
rec.autos simulators)
Look, I haven't tested all PCs in the world. I only know that my P200 classic is
FAR FAR FAR slower than you claim for your P200 MMX. And by reading
rec.autos.simulators, you get an idea of typical performance, which is:
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With my new p266, I can max everything out in svga and get =
about 110, but I still try for 90-95%.
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personally I have a velocity 128 in a p2 266 and with gp2 I can have nearly
all details turned on in 640x480 mode, the only thing I shut off is certain
objects in the mirrors. It chuggs sometimes when you spin out, otherwise I
have about 80% occupancy.
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I just
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I have a Dell PII 266 with 4Mb
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I have a P11 300 with 64 mb ram and the Mystique 4 mb card and i have no
problems at all with GP2.It runs most of the time between 75 and 100%
processor occupancy, sometimes lower and rarely higher.With everything on
but sky in SVGA mode it runs at 25> FPS and with sky on it drops to 21.3
FPS
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I'm using a PII 266mhz. Still can't turn EVERYthing on
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PII 450, 128MB, STB TNT video
Tested with GP2 by watching a car start in 6th from in-car view, all details
on, framerate set to max (25.3+ fps): Occupancy went from 130% to 120%
(about an average of 10% lower throughout lap). (Monaco?)
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I'm running a PII 400 with 64MB RAM and an 8MB ATI RAGE Pro. With sky
textures turned off but everything else on and FPS at maximum, processor
occupancy stays below 100% on all tracks except Monaco, with a slight
slowdown at the start and when you enter the gravel. With a couple of mirror
textures turned off, then no slowdowns at all.
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I actually re-installed GP2 on my new P2/333 to test out 640x480
and I still needed to turn things off.
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I'm currently
running a PII-233MHz with 64M SDRAM and get 25 frame rate with 85-120%
Occupancy, depending on traffic etc.
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Best Regards,
Mark Rich/MicroProse-Europe
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my is 166mmx with 32md edo overclocked to 207.5Mhz with 4mb vram
stealth 3d, without sky, I could run 23 to 25 fps with a help of a
patch file called s3spdup.exe. cpu occupancy is less than 100 most of
the time. However in monaco, I also have a bit of problem with high
fps
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I have a 200 Mhz Pentium, 512 KB PB-Cache (asus T2P4), 60 ns EDO RAM
and a Mystique. But I Play GP2 only with textures on the fences and
low detail (at 25,6fps) because I hate to get over 100% CPU occupancy
during race start!
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I run a P250 (P200MMX o/c to 3 x 83) with an ageing S3 864 based
2D card at the moment. In SVGA with all details on bar the sky and with
everything in the mirrors without textures I get an estimated fps of
exactly 25.6 . Actual fps varies but my occupancy is generally about
80-90% on most tracks (with the notable exception of Monaco :-( ).
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I'm running P233mmx, 2mb Diamond Video64, 80mb ram and mine howles with all
on except for sky. At around 100%
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Just tried playing Gp2 on my overclocked 200 -> 250 and I still can't
use full detail! High rez, but without sky or most of the mirror
options. Get 27-28 fps.
In heavy traffic about 120% occupancy. Wow, I guess you need a Pentium
II 266 or something.
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What's all this rubbish...
Why do people want to use 25 fps ??????
I never use the estimated fps for GP2...its always a bit
otamistic....
I normally use about 17 fps...... I feel you get a beter feel
from it!!!!!!!!
Ben Summers (My CC line for going into pits a melbourne doesnt work!)
(it must be slot 1 problem)
>> Blah blah blah
>What's all this rubbish...
>Why do people want to use 25 fps ??????
Bart Westra
