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Psst...GTR demo, but don't tell anyone...

Dean Purd

Psst...GTR demo, but don't tell anyone...

by Dean Purd » Mon, 03 May 2004 19:24:36

No need to worry about it Mitch, I already did that. <bg>

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Andrew MacPhers

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by Andrew MacPhers » Mon, 03 May 2004 20:45:00



> ...it'll be our secret.

It's a little early to judge (especially as I'm finding the car a bit of a
handful!) but this is definitely the best sounding sim I've driven to
date. Glorious noise, perhaps even better than the GPL Ferrari. Looks
superb as well and feels interesting to say the least.

Well worth the download.

Andrew McP

Haqsa

Psst...GTR demo, but don't tell anyone...

by Haqsa » Mon, 03 May 2004 23:58:30

Doesn't appear to use surround sound though.  Hope they can fix that.


Andrew MacPhers

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by Andrew MacPhers » Tue, 04 May 2004 08:29:00



> Doesn't appear to use surround sound though

I only ever use headphones so I won't notice :-)

Andrew McP

Slug

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by Slug » Tue, 04 May 2004 12:56:20

On Mon, 3 May 2004 00:29 +0100 (BST),


>I only ever use headphones so I won't notice :-)

>Andrew McP

Yes you will. Positional audio works best on headphones.
Andrew MacPhers

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by Andrew MacPhers » Tue, 04 May 2004 13:31:00



> Positional audio works best on headphones.

Only in your dreams and some advertising :-) Squeezing proper positional
audio out of two speakers is right up there with the two loaves and seven
fishes thing in the premiere league of minor miracles. Sure you can fiddle
with an illusion of "somethingdifferentness", but that's not positional
audio.

I've listened to demos of this effect via headphones and after I'd stopped
laughing, I laughed a bit more then plugged in another two speakers and
tripped over the speaker cables while admiring the great positional sound.
Then I unplugged them and got on with driving.

Andrew McP

Pete

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by Pete » Tue, 04 May 2004 13:50:23

http://www.zalman.co.kr/usa/product/ZM-RS6F.htm?rootId=cat640035&prod...

    Might want to reconsider. Hearing is believing.  :-)

    Pete

Andrew MacPhers

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by Andrew MacPhers » Tue, 04 May 2004 17:58:00



> Might want to reconsider. Hearing is believing.  :-)

Those aren't exactly your normal, everyday headphones, as found in 99.99%
of households, are they now. For normal headphone usage I'll stick with
what I said :-)

Andrew McP

Pete

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by Pete » Tue, 04 May 2004 20:18:21

    LOL. I have them in 100% of my households. They do work well. :-)

    Pete


Andrew MacPhers

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by Andrew MacPhers » Tue, 04 May 2004 21:02:00



>  They do work well. :-)

I'm sure they do... three speakers per ear after all. My reservation is
that at that price point the quality has to suffer. I use a pair of
Sennheiser HD580 headphones normally and the sound is *stunning*. But then
at over twice the price of the Zalmans for a third of the speakers you'd
hope they would be :-)

I've tried many other types of headphones (living in a flat means it's far
easier to wear headphones and not have to worry about the neighbours for
***, movies, TV, whatever) and the Sennheisers are just head &
shoulders above cheaper models for bass response. If Sennheiser produced a
set of surround sound headphones with multiple speakers (rather than some
fancy sound processing module that can only do so much) I'd be tempted,
but there's a Chinese saying which goes along the lines of "Buy expensive,
cry once" and although I'm sure the Zalman's do a fine job at that price,
they're too cheap to inspire confidence, and the reviews I've read sound
like I'd be disappointed.

Still, at that price I might be tempted to try them out some time in a
moment of weakness. But the last thing I need is yet *another* set of
headphones cluttering up the desk. I have Sennheiser radio headphones for
wandering around listening to the radio/TV, the 580s for desk-bound
activities, more pairs of earbud headphones than I care to count for
assorted mini-kit, a spare set of radio headphones that proved too
uncomfortable to wear long term, a pair of ridiculously expensive Bose
noise reduction headphones for when the neighbours are asking for a damned
good kicking, and... and maybe I'll skip the Zalmans for now, ok ;-)

Andrew McP... wondering if it wouldn't be cheaper to buy a detached house
than headphones. Hang on... detached house=300,000ukp, total headphone
budget=600ukp, last year's wages=20k ukp. Ok, I'll stick with the
headphones :-)

Damien Evan

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by Damien Evan » Tue, 04 May 2004 21:18:45

Some Sennheisers are nice but the thing that disturbs me with them is that
every model in their range sounds totally different in terms of sound
character.
Andrew MacPhers

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by Andrew MacPhers » Tue, 04 May 2004 21:59:00



> but the thing that disturbs me with them is that every model in
> their range sounds totally different in terms of sound
> character.

I think that's the nature of headphones, and all speaker technology in
general. It's often like trying to decide which food you like best...
picking one "flavour" of sound over another depends upon your mood, the
circumstances, and -- of course -- your budget. There's no such thing as
best, but there is definitely such as thing as too cheap :-)

The 580 set are very impressive, though I also like the Beyer DT range for
quality & comfort (obvious given they're widespread professional use). My
Bose noise cancelling set also sound excellent (definitely a different
"flavour" to the Sennheisers though), but due to their compact & isolating
nature, are less comfortable to wear than the weighty, but low
pressure 580s.

The Sennheiser radio headphones (HDR 65 circumaural in my case) are
noticeably poorer quality, but you're paying for the freedom rather than
pure quality. And that freedom is great... except when you forget which
set you're wearing and start breaking leads, which can get expensive very
quickly with decent headphones!

As with so many things in life, chasing the "perfect" all round headphone
can get expensive, and it's easy to end up with a collection that suit
different circumstances but rarely get used because it's frequently easier
to just reach for whatever's closest!

Still, everyone should have a hobby ;-)

Andrew McP

Pete

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by Pete » Wed, 05 May 2004 12:03:46



> I'm sure they do... three speakers per ear after all. My reservation is
> that at that price point the quality has to suffer. I use a pair of
> Sennheiser HD580 headphones normally and the sound is *stunning*. But then
> at over twice the price of the Zalmans for a third of the speakers you'd
> hope they would be :-)

    As you get older the hearing goes down hill fast. I had exceptional
hearing
when I was younger and spent thousands on speakers. But after all those
years
of rock concerts and loud music well...........:-)
    I use the Zalmans for *** not listening to music and in that regard
they give
me a great bang for the buck. Was looking at your Sennheisers the other day
but
decided I so rarely use headphones for music that I didn't need them.

    The problem with the reviews I read were the audiophiles trying them
didn't seem like "gamers" that need surround sound in a FPS. I agree they
aren't the best for music, far from it but I didn't buy them for that
purpose.
    Again using a product for what it was designed for seems more
appropriate.
    But I digress. :-)

    I understand where you are coming from. I have a house and I'm running
out
of room with antiquated computer parts and accessories. Twenty five years of
this "hobby" makes me wonder at times if it is worth it. I could buy another
house
with what I have spent on hardware and software but one of these days I'll
learn. ;-)

    Sounds like the UK is too expensive. :-)

    Pete

Andrew MacPhers

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by Andrew MacPhers » Wed, 05 May 2004 18:12:00



>  I could buy another house with what I have spent on
> hardware and software but one of these days I'll learn. ;-)

Heh. I've kept Quicken records on my spending since 1994, a year after I
got into computers. Adding up the various category totals is a *really*
bad idea. And I've only been at it for a decade or so!

Someone forgot to build houses towards the end of the 20thC. Add to that
low interest rates and <bang> artificially high prices. The sooner
interest rates get back to 10% the better. That'll make 'em squeal :-)

Andrew McP

Eldre

Psst...GTR demo, but don't tell anyone...

by Eldre » Thu, 06 May 2004 01:14:26

Whoa - I've never thought about running a "decade-to-date" cash flow report.
That might be too scary...

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